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Hi.

I am after a few opinions please as I am quite torn on what to do.

I have a place on a PGCE starting September. I also have a funded place on an MA.

This is the only time I will ever get funding as it is only being offered this year, prior to the introduction of the postgrad loans system. I am not eligible for the postgrad loans because I am over 30

Ultimately my aim is to become a qualified teacher. However, I am unsure whether this offer of a funded Masters is too good an opportunity to pass on. I had pretty much settled on just going straight into the PGCE, after all why delay a year when it isn't necessary to do so.

From reading around it would seem that some countries require Masters level study in order to teach the subject. My husband is keen to emigrate in the not to distant future (I'm not sure) so I am not sure if I should do the MA 'just in case'. He also thinks I should do it, as a kind of back-up' just in case I don't actually enjoy teaching. He believes it would give me additional opportunities if I decide teaching is not for me.


As you can probably tell I am completely unsure what to do for the best. I wish I could both at the same time
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PGCE, then masters. As you would already have a third of a masters and QTS in one year. Then if you need to, complete the remaining 120 credits to complete the masters in the following year.

Thats my opinion. Teaching jobs abroad ask for pgce/qts.
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Hi.

I am after a few opinions please as I am quite torn on what to do.

I have a place on a PGCE starting September. I also have a funded place on an MA.

This is the only time I will ever get funding as it is only being offered this year, prior to the introduction of the postgrad loans system. I am not eligible for the postgrad loans because I am over 30

Ultimately my aim is to become a qualified teacher. However, I am unsure whether this offer of a funded Masters is too good an opportunity to pass on. I had pretty much settled on just going straight into the PGCE, after all why delay a year when it isn't necessary to do so.

From reading around it would seem that some countries require Masters level study in order to teach the subject. My husband is keen to emigrate in the not to distant future (I'm not sure) so I am not sure if I should do the MA 'just in case'. He also thinks I should do it, as a kind of back-up' just in case I don't actually enjoy teaching. He believes it would give me additional opportunities if I decide teaching is not for me.


As you can probably tell I am completely unsure what to do for the best. I wish I could both at the same time
I'd be inclined to agree with trifleontoast. Not least because you might find that the PGCE starts next year before you've actually finished your masters given that a masters is 12 months.
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I would do the masters because it is funded. A funded masters is such a rare thing to come across that I would do that. You've got the rest of your life to train as a teacher but a funded masters, I reckon it's best to do that while a) you have the funding offer to do it and b) before your time becomes very occupied with teaching.
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So, I emailed the tutor to withdraw from the MA.He pretty much said it is crazy to turn down a funded MA haha.

I am wondering whether I can defer my PGCE until next year. If I can't I will take the PGCE offer; If I can I will do the Masters first.

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So, I emailed the tutor to withdraw from the MA.He pretty much said it is crazy to turn down a funded MA haha.

I am wondering whether I can defer my PGCE until next year. If I can't I will take the PGCE offer; If I can I will do the Masters first.

xx
Don't think you can defer a PGCE. What's the MA in?


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It is probably crazy.... on reflection maybe do the masters first? Masters degrees are suitable to get onto pgce they are even used in the bursary requirements. Seen as a pgce is 9000 and that wouldnt cost anything.
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Are you planning on doing a master's in the future regardless? It'd be quite weird, and possibly troublesome to not work right after your PGCE and to do it after your master's. You may be able to find a school that likes you during your PGCE, and you probably shouldn't let go of that opportunity for a master's; you will need to look for jobs long before you finish your master's, and may even need to start it before finishing your master's, and that's inconvenient, and at the same time means your master's will not worth as much as it could have, as they may not be able to see your grades.

It'd also be better psychologically and professionally to work right after the PGCE - more psychologically prepared for a full-time (teaching) job and the pedagogical knowledge and practices will be better remembered. Having a master's first mean you'd switch from having one lifestyle to another, then change it back, then change it to the working style again.

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You'd most likely need to have a teaching qualification to teach abroad, yes; so it depends on whether you'd want to do the master's in the future regardless. If you're going to do both anyway, I'd go for the master's first.

And I don't think you get QTS right after your master's, you'd need to do your NQT year first, which you cannot do if you're on a full-time master's. Whether you can 'upgrade' your PGCE into a master's depends on the respective institutions and courses, so can't say for sure.
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(Original post by redmel1621)
So, I emailed the tutor to withdraw from the MA.He pretty much said it is crazy to turn down a funded MA haha.

I am wondering whether I can defer my PGCE until next year. If I can't I will take the PGCE offer; If I can I will do the Masters first.

xx
Pgce offers aren't as rare as funded masters offers.

It's your decision but I would write and say you'll take the masters.
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Are you planning on doing a master's in the future regardless? It'd be quite weird, and possibly troublesome to not work right after your PGCE and to do it after your master's. You may be able to find a school that likes you during your PGCE, and you probably shouldn't let go of that opportunity for a master's; you will need to look for jobs long before you finish your master's, and may even need to start it before finishing your master's, and that's inconvenient, and at the same time means your master's will not worth as much as it could have, as they may not be able to see your grades.

It'd also be better psychologically and professionally to work right after the PGCE - more psychologically prepared for a full-time (teaching) job and the pedagogical knowledge and practices will be better remembered. Having a master's first mean you'd switch from having one lifestyle to another, then change it back, then change it to the working style again.

In response to some of the earlier comments:

You'd most likely need to have a teaching qualification to teach abroad, yes; so it depends on whether you'd want to do the master's in the future regardless. If you're going to do both anyway, I'd go for the master's first.

And I don't think you get QTS right after your master's, you'd need to do your NQT year first, which you cannot do if you're on a full-time master's. Whether you can 'upgrade' your PGCE into a master's depends on the respective institutions and courses, so can't say for sure.
You get QTS as soon as you pass PGCE. The NQT year is separate. You can have QTS without completing your NQT year.
Either way you are in a good position as both are not bad routes to take. If you go for the pgce, you can apply for SF and may already get a bursary depending on your degree which is upto 25k and the subject/area of teacher training you will be doing.
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The MA is in Modern and Contemporary Fiction. It is at the uni I did my undergrad degree so I know, and love, the tutors and the uni.

I wouldn't do this particular Masters directly after my PGCE. Although I would be inclined to continue on and finish the MA in Education, seeing as I would already have credits gained during the PGCE.

There is the possibility that I 'may' go on to do this, or a similar, MA at some point in the distant future. It won't be any time soon as once I have started the PGCE I have every intention of completing it and looking for teaching jobs.

I won't get a PGCE bursary as I just missed out on a 2.1 in my degree. If I did the Masters first and then did the PGCE next year then I would get the bursary lol. Although in my situation it makes no difference because it is counted as income for Housing Benefit purposes, so I would just have my housing benefit reduced, meaning I would be no better off financially.

I am still undecided about what to do. I am reluctant to delay my career any longer, given I have already delayed due to having a family, but then I wonder what difference one more year will make.

The problem with declining the PGCE this year is that I am at my local university, which is 15 minutes away. It is very unlikely that I will get in there again next year, as they have so few PGCE places. (this year they had 1 place for secondary English) My next closest uni is an hour away, and in a busy city with limited parking, and they only get further after that.

Maybe I should just stick to the PGCE and get on with it....
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I'd say do the master's degree now, for all the reasons beautifulbigmacs said.
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I would also suggest doing the MA first, then the PGCE.

For one thing, funded MA places in the Arts/Humanities are really rare so I'd take the offer while it's available.

Also, once you start working it's going to be harder to take the time to just study something you're interested in for it's own sake. I did an MA in History a few years ago, then my PGCE in Modern Languages a year later - the MA is completely unrelated to what I now teach but I'm glad I took the opportunity to just study something I was interested in. Teaching is a big commitment and a lot of work so I'd make the most of this opportunity.
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Another vote for the masters. There's no reason to assume that it will be impossible to get back into your university the following year. The degree will probably be looked upon favourably for future PGCE applications.
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Would you use the MA to get into teaching history? (I ask as someone who sees taking postgraduate qualifications as an option to widen the subjects I could potentially teach).

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I would also suggest doing the MA first, then the PGCE.

For one thing, funded MA places in the Arts/Humanities are really rare so I'd take the offer while it's available.

Also, once you start working it's going to be harder to take the time to just study something you're interested in for it's own sake. I did an MA in History a few years ago, then my PGCE in Modern Languages a year later - the MA is completely unrelated to what I now teach but I'm glad I took the opportunity to just study something I was interested in. Teaching is a big commitment and a lot of work so I'd make the most of this opportunity.
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Would you use the MA to get into teaching history? (I ask as someone who sees taking postgraduate qualifications as an option to widen the subjects I could potentially teach).
Hi,

Yes, I'd definitely be interested in teaching History at some point in the future and I'm sure if timetabling allowed for it my current head would be happy for me to give it a go. I have a joint French and History degree, so in terms of subject knowledge I'm just as well qualified to teach History as I am to teach MFL, although of course I haven't had the training or experience in terms of how to teach it.

For the time being, I'm still happy to just work on developing as a languages teacher, but if I feel in need of a change I would certainly consider trying to get some History teaching experience.

Ultimately, when you're a qualified teacher you are technically qualified to teach anything, it's up to your employer. But above all, it will come down to timetabling. If they desperately need someone to do a couple of lessons outside their subject specialism, they'll probably use you regardless of whether you have any qualifications in the subject.
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I phoned the PGCE admissions today and they confirmed that deferring is not an option. This leads to only one decision: I will be doing the PGCE this year. Unfortunately, at my age and with a family I don't have the luxury of taking risks. I decided I would only do the MA if I could guarantee a PGCE place next year.

It is not an easy decision and I may well regret it, but...
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(Original post by redmel1621)
Hi.

I am after a few opinions please as I am quite torn on what to do.

I have a place on a PGCE starting September. I also have a funded place on an MA.

This is the only time I will ever get funding as it is only being offered this year, prior to the introduction of the postgrad loans system. I am not eligible for the postgrad loans because I am over 30

Ultimately my aim is to become a qualified teacher. However, I am unsure whether this offer of a funded Masters is too good an opportunity to pass on. I had pretty much settled on just going straight into the PGCE, after all why delay a year when it isn't necessary to do so.

From reading around it would seem that some countries require Masters level study in order to teach the subject. My husband is keen to emigrate in the not to distant future (I'm not sure) so I am not sure if I should do the MA 'just in case'. He also thinks I should do it, as a kind of back-up' just in case I don't actually enjoy teaching. He believes it would give me additional opportunities if I decide teaching is not for me.


As you can probably tell I am completely unsure what to do for the best. I wish I could both at the same time
Do the PGCE - you may well find you get support with a Masters when you are teaching. I managed to get mine paid for whilst teaching and studying for the MA part-time.
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Do the PGCE - you may well find you get support with a Masters when you are teaching. I managed to get mine paid for whilst teaching and studying for the MA part-time.
How did you manage to get it paid for? If you don't mind me asking? Just curious
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How did you manage to get it paid for? If you don't mind me asking? Just curious
It was advertised and I applied - did a PGDip first and got released on day a fortnight for the teaching input. Then applied for a 'top up' to masters - it might have helped that I teach a shortage subject - maths?
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