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Law @ KCL - Study Abroad Oppurtunity?
Hi guys.
I have a (nice) dilemma. I have an offer to do Law at KCL, as well as an offer to do the European, International and Comparative Law course at Sheffield.
It is the age old Course vs University debate. KCL is undoubtedly the more prestigious University, but the EICL course at Sheffield guarantees the opportunity to study abroad.
I realise that there are opportunities to study law abroad at KCL, Australian, American JD course etc. However these courses are applied for after the end of the first year.
So my question is how much competition is there for these courses? Any people with experience? I really want to study abroad for a bit, hence the guarantee of the EICL course at Sheffield is very tempting, but I would love to come to KCL, but need to know whether the chances of getting on the foreign courses is slim (very competitive) or realistic (if I work hard etc).
Cheers guys,
Tom
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I have a (nice) dilemma. I have an offer to do Law at KCL, as well as an offer to do the European, International and Comparative Law course at Sheffield.
It is the age old Course vs University debate. KCL is undoubtedly the more prestigious University, but the EICL course at Sheffield guarantees the opportunity to study abroad.
I realise that there are opportunities to study law abroad at KCL, Australian, American JD course etc. However these courses are applied for after the end of the first year.
So my question is how much competition is there for these courses? Any people with experience? I really want to study abroad for a bit, hence the guarantee of the EICL course at Sheffield is very tempting, but I would love to come to KCL, but need to know whether the chances of getting on the foreign courses is slim (very competitive) or realistic (if I work hard etc).
Cheers guys,
Tom
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First point to note is that the American course at King's costs £70,000 and i'm sure competition is immense but you never know..someone has to get a place and there's no reason it couldn't be you if you work very hard.
The two big problems have already been drawn out: the sheer expense and the fact that it will be massively competitive at KCL and even if you got 1st class grades there would be no guranteeing it. I suggest you e-mail Kings and see what they say.
Cheers guys, have sent an email.
Seen the price of the American JD course, absolutely ridiculous. I hazard a guess that the only competition for those places will be how quickly certain students can ring daddy.
Seen the price of the American JD course, absolutely ridiculous. I hazard a guess that the only competition for those places will be how quickly certain students can ring daddy.
I hear you have to submit bank statements in affidavit evidence of your ability to pay! lol.
hingus2000
Hi guys.
I have a (nice) dilemma. I have an offer to do Law at KCL, as well as an offer to do the European, International and Comparative Law course at Sheffield.
It is the age old Course vs University debate. KCL is undoubtedly the more prestigious University, but the EICL course at Sheffield guarantees the opportunity to study abroad.
I realise that there are opportunities to study law abroad at KCL, Australian, American JD course etc. However these courses are applied for after the end of the first year.
So my question is how much competition is there for these courses? Any people with experience? I really want to study abroad for a bit, hence the guarantee of the EICL course at Sheffield is very tempting, but I would love to come to KCL, but need to know whether the chances of getting on the foreign courses is slim (very competitive) or realistic (if I work hard etc).
I have a (nice) dilemma. I have an offer to do Law at KCL, as well as an offer to do the European, International and Comparative Law course at Sheffield.
It is the age old Course vs University debate. KCL is undoubtedly the more prestigious University, but the EICL course at Sheffield guarantees the opportunity to study abroad.
I realise that there are opportunities to study law abroad at KCL, Australian, American JD course etc. However these courses are applied for after the end of the first year.
So my question is how much competition is there for these courses? Any people with experience? I really want to study abroad for a bit, hence the guarantee of the EICL course at Sheffield is very tempting, but I would love to come to KCL, but need to know whether the chances of getting on the foreign courses is slim (very competitive) or realistic (if I work hard etc).
I'm a current KCL 2nd year student. I know people going abroad next year. The JD is not the only opportunity - and there are much more financially attractive options.
I particularly know there's an opportunity to go to Amsterdam - all taught in English.
Yeah the ones taught in english to Europe are occasionally on offer. Nottingham have a few, although predominantly within Europe they are taught in foreign language... outside of europe, they all teach in english for some bizarre reason!
Hmmm, seems a bit elitist, but I guess that is the nature of the US college system.
Still gives me the dilemma!
I like the thought of being able to say I go to/went to KCL (no disrespect to Sheffield, its a great uni and city). But I really want to be able to study abroad. Look at all the places the EICL course exchanges with: http://www.ecl.group.shef.ac.uk/abroad.htm
I like the thought of being able to say I go to/went to KCL (no disrespect to Sheffield, its a great uni and city). But I really want to be able to study abroad. Look at all the places the EICL course exchanges with: http://www.ecl.group.shef.ac.uk/abroad.htm
King's Information regarding studying abroad... (Obviously for straight M100 students, Law with German/French have their own arrangements)
Bear in mind this could change...
11. LLB LAW WITH EUROPEAN LEGAL STUDIES
Students on the Law LLB (M100) may apply during their first year to transfer to this four-year programme. The first two years and fourth year are taken at King’s College London. The third year is spent at one of our partner universities, currently: Ferrara in Italy, Strasbourg in France, Heidelberg and Passau in Germany, Leuven in Belgium, Leiden in The Netherlands and Uppsala in Sweden (at the latter three, courses are taught in English).
12. LLB LAW WITH AMERICAN LAW COLUMBIA PROGRAMME)
Students on the Law LLB (M100) may apply at the beginning of their second year to transfer to this four-year programme. At present there are just two places available and students are awarded places on their academic achievements in the 1st year exams. Transfer is subject to good results at the end of year 2 and the approval of Columbia University . The successful students will then go on to New York for a further two years and pay Colombia fees of £35,000 per year they attend. At the end of the four years these students are awarded an LLB from King’s College and a JD from Columbia University .
13. LLB LAW WITH AUSTRALIAN LAW (MONASH PROGRAMME)
Students on the Law LLB (M100) may apply at the beginning of their second year to transfer to this four-year programme. The first two years and fourth year are taken at King’s College London. The third year is spent studying at Monash University in Melbourne . The LLB degree is classified on the basis of the English degree results only, although students must pass the year abroad to be awarded LLB Law with Australian Law. There are three places available and candidates are selected on the basis of academic performance, seriousness of purpose and maturity. Normally, a candidate will only be considered if they achieved an overall upper second class in their Year 1 assessments and will be conditional on achieving an overall upper second class standard in their Year 2 assessments. Transfer is subject to the approval of Monash, such approval not to be unreasonably withheld.
Source: https://www.kcl.ac.uk/schools/law/apply/ugrad/ugfaqadmissions.html
Bear in mind this could change...
11. LLB LAW WITH EUROPEAN LEGAL STUDIES
Students on the Law LLB (M100) may apply during their first year to transfer to this four-year programme. The first two years and fourth year are taken at King’s College London. The third year is spent at one of our partner universities, currently: Ferrara in Italy, Strasbourg in France, Heidelberg and Passau in Germany, Leuven in Belgium, Leiden in The Netherlands and Uppsala in Sweden (at the latter three, courses are taught in English).
12. LLB LAW WITH AMERICAN LAW COLUMBIA PROGRAMME)
Students on the Law LLB (M100) may apply at the beginning of their second year to transfer to this four-year programme. At present there are just two places available and students are awarded places on their academic achievements in the 1st year exams. Transfer is subject to good results at the end of year 2 and the approval of Columbia University . The successful students will then go on to New York for a further two years and pay Colombia fees of £35,000 per year they attend. At the end of the four years these students are awarded an LLB from King’s College and a JD from Columbia University .
13. LLB LAW WITH AUSTRALIAN LAW (MONASH PROGRAMME)
Students on the Law LLB (M100) may apply at the beginning of their second year to transfer to this four-year programme. The first two years and fourth year are taken at King’s College London. The third year is spent studying at Monash University in Melbourne . The LLB degree is classified on the basis of the English degree results only, although students must pass the year abroad to be awarded LLB Law with Australian Law. There are three places available and candidates are selected on the basis of academic performance, seriousness of purpose and maturity. Normally, a candidate will only be considered if they achieved an overall upper second class in their Year 1 assessments and will be conditional on achieving an overall upper second class standard in their Year 2 assessments. Transfer is subject to the approval of Monash, such approval not to be unreasonably withheld.
Source: https://www.kcl.ac.uk/schools/law/apply/ugrad/ugfaqadmissions.html
Yep, read all that, hence my post was mainly querying the competition for these courses. ie, If I stated my desire to go to Australia from the start, got a 2:1 in the first year and maintained it, what would be my chances?
hingus2000
Yep, read all that, hence my post was mainly querying the competition for these courses. ie, If I stated my desire to go to Australia from the start, got a 2:1 in the first year and maintained it, what would be my chances?
Well no one can tell you that because it will vary from year to year.
Why not contact Admissions at KCL and ask them for application number and success rate for each of the year abroad programmes?
You'd have to take your chances though - at the end of the day you will not be guaranteed a place abroad at King's. You need to ask yourself that if you don't get on a year abroad course then would you be satisfied staying in London for 3 years?
If the answer is categorically 'no' - then go to Sheffield.
Re Australia: I can give mediocre advice by relation to the figures at Nottingham, but it should serve as at least some level of guidance. Looking at those, and the sheer cost of USA, the Australia will be very competitive. We too apply at the start of second year, and can apply to Australia (melbourne, sydney, queensland), New Zealand, HK, USA (texas, virginia), Singapore and China (As of next year). I know for a fact that Australia is always the most competitive... and without the other options on the table, it is going to be very very competitive to get onto that at KCL.
However, this is no substitute for the direct word of the tutors involved. But jsut to warn you of how hard it will be. Australia is everyone's favoured choice because it's just a year in the sun!
However, this is no substitute for the direct word of the tutors involved. But jsut to warn you of how hard it will be. Australia is everyone's favoured choice because it's just a year in the sun!
Dreama
I'm a current KCL 2nd year student. I know people going abroad next year. The JD is not the only opportunity - and there are much more financially attractive options.
I particularly know there's an opportunity to go to Amsterdam - all taught in English.
I particularly know there's an opportunity to go to Amsterdam - all taught in English.
amsterdam??? that's lovely
how competitive is that? do you know smth about opportunities in scandinavia and their popularity among kcl students?kattrin
amsterdam??? that's lovely how competitive is that? do you know smth about opportunities in scandinavia and their popularity among kcl students?
how competitive is that? do you know smth about opportunities in scandinavia and their popularity among kcl students?Yea if I'd wanted to go abroad I'd of applied to Amsterdam.
I can't comment on competitiveness... I have no idea.
Do you mean opportunities to study in Scandinavia, or to work following graduation?
From my experience, the Law with Australian Law programme at King's is not as competitive as I'd imagined.
You need a 2.1 in your first year as selection is primarily based on academic merit. You have to write a personal statement and a proposed study plan for the year and if competition is tough they hold interviews. KCL select two applicants and then applying to Monash (the uni in Melbourne) sounds like a formality.
In terms of cost it is similar to a year in London - you pay 50% UK fees and no Aus fees, cost of living is around half of UK but then you have to add on flights and that it is more difficult to get part-time work.
Also, you go in early July and do the second semester of their 2nd year and first semester of their 3rd year which is a little odd. It means you won't get your loan until Sept as normal so that can be problematic. The xmas and summer break is mid-Oct to mid-Feb though which would be amazing! Year ends in June I think.
PM me if you want any more info
You need a 2.1 in your first year as selection is primarily based on academic merit. You have to write a personal statement and a proposed study plan for the year and if competition is tough they hold interviews. KCL select two applicants and then applying to Monash (the uni in Melbourne) sounds like a formality.
In terms of cost it is similar to a year in London - you pay 50% UK fees and no Aus fees, cost of living is around half of UK but then you have to add on flights and that it is more difficult to get part-time work.
Also, you go in early July and do the second semester of their 2nd year and first semester of their 3rd year which is a little odd. It means you won't get your loan until Sept as normal so that can be problematic. The xmas and summer break is mid-Oct to mid-Feb though which would be amazing! Year ends in June I think.
PM me if you want any more info
Lauren18
From my experience, the Law with Australian Law programme at King's is not as competitive as I'd imagined.
You need a 2.1 in your first year as selection is primarily based on academic merit. You have to write a personal statement and a proposed study plan for the year and if competition is tough they hold interviews. KCL select two applicants and then applying to Monash (the uni in Melbourne) sounds like a formality.
In terms of cost it is similar to a year in London - you pay 50% UK fees and no Aus fees, cost of living is around half of UK but then you have to add on flights and that it is more difficult to get part-time work.
Also, you go in early July and do the second semester of their 2nd year and first semester of their 3rd year which is a little odd. It means you won't get your loan until Sept as normal so that can be problematic. The xmas and summer break is mid-Oct to mid-Feb though which would be amazing! Year ends in June I think.
PM me if you want any more info
You need a 2.1 in your first year as selection is primarily based on academic merit. You have to write a personal statement and a proposed study plan for the year and if competition is tough they hold interviews. KCL select two applicants and then applying to Monash (the uni in Melbourne) sounds like a formality.
In terms of cost it is similar to a year in London - you pay 50% UK fees and no Aus fees, cost of living is around half of UK but then you have to add on flights and that it is more difficult to get part-time work.
Also, you go in early July and do the second semester of their 2nd year and first semester of their 3rd year which is a little odd. It means you won't get your loan until Sept as normal so that can be problematic. The xmas and summer break is mid-Oct to mid-Feb though which would be amazing! Year ends in June I think.
PM me if you want any more info
do you know smth about competitiveness of these courses somewhere in europe?? taught in english- scandinavia, holland???
kattrin
do you know smth about competitiveness of these courses somewhere in europe?? taught in english- scandinavia, holland???
Im in my first year and have applied for the European legal studies course. I have been told there are 11 applicants for 6 places for the English taught courses (Netherland, Sweden & Belgium). The 6 people with the highest scores in the end of year exam will be selected. But as Lauren18 has said, I think usually there are as many applicants as there are places.
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