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More damning facts have come out today

On 22nd August, Corbyn will speak at an event put together by the Middle East Monitor, a group with a pretty dodgy record of playing on anti-semitic tropes.

Corbyn will be sharing a platform with cartoonist Carlos Latuff, a man who entered his cartoons into the Iran-sponsored International Holocaust Cartoon Competition, a competition to quote "challenge Western accounts of the Holocaust".

If this were the only thing Corbyn had ever done, he might get a pass. But given his lavishing praise on Hamas (which called for the death of all Jews in its founding document. Corbyn said they were "dedicated to the best interests" of the Palestinians) and Sheikh Raed Salah (he claims that Jews murder gentile children to harvest their blood. Corbyn called him an "honoured citizen" and invited him to tea on the parliament terrace)

How much more are his supporters going to rationalise, excuse and explain away?
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Oh god, another incident has come to light. When will it stop?

In 2009, on the day Corbyn called Hamas his friends, he shared a platform with Dyab Abou Jabjah, a man found guilty by a Dutch court of Holocaust denial. It was Corbyn's choice to invite the man, after all Corbyn is the chairman of Stop the War

All of these instances, his praise of Hamas and Salah, his agreeing to share a platform with Carlos Latuff, his sharing a platform with Jabjah, his accepting money from Palestine Return Centre whose media officer has republished videos from David Duke... this isn't just one instance that could be misconstrued, this is repeated instances and it adds up to a stench of anti-semitism around him. He doesn't seem to care.

If someone always seems to be praising and associating with homophobes, it would be reasonable to raise questions about their commitment to LGBT rights. The same stands for anti-semitism.
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My god he is just perfect for Labour, he is everything Labour is and there is no better man to lead such a party. They might as well express who they truly are.
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More damning facts have come out today

On 22nd August, Corbyn will speak at an event put together by the Middle East Monitor, a group with a pretty dodgy record of playing on anti-semitic tropes.

Corbyn will be sharing a platform with cartoonist Carlos Latuff, a man who entered his cartoons into the Iran-sponsored International Holocaust Cartoon Competition, a competition to quote "challenge Western accounts of the Holocaust".

If this were the only thing Corbyn had ever done, he might get a pass. But given his lavishing praise on Hamas (which called for the death of all Jews in its founding document. Corbyn said they were "dedicated to the best interests" of the Palestinians) and Sheikh Raed Salah (he claims that Jews murder gentile children to harvest their blood. Corbyn called him an "honoured citizen" and invited him to tea on the parliament terrace)

How much more are his supporters going to rationalise, excuse and explain away?
To be frank I do not understand how the minds of most people work.

I would be doubly excited to attend a speech of a Holocaust denier or someone who challenged an orthodox view on something because it's interesting.

What I really don't understand is the earns blocked, not sharing a platform with approach rather that listening, processing and evaluating approach.



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In the last two days on here I've been accused by two posters in this thread of hating Jews, of being a potential murderer who would push fellow Jews into the gas chambers and of being someone who would have been a Kapo in a Concentration camp.
Pretty disgusting accusations, one might even say such accusations directed towards me were anti-semitic themselves...

Well let's get things straight. I am not anti-semitic, I am Jewish. If I was anti-semitic I would have denounced my Judaism - I have not.
And I am not a self-hating Jew. There are many things I do not like about myself- but the fact I am Jewish is not one of them.

But why are these accusations being thrown at me? Because I oppose Israel's actions towards the Palestinian people. That, to many zionists is enough for me to be 'self-hating'.
I am not pro-Hamas or Hamas supporter - I have never praised Hamas.
I merely disagree with Israel's actions.

Now, when I oppose Britain's actions in Iraq does that make me anti Christian? When I criticse the Saudi Arabian government for their human rights abuses does that make me Islamaphobic? When I criticise China's actions does that make me prejudiced against Buddhists? When I criticise the North Korean government does that make me racist against Koreans?
The answer to all the above is NO OF COURSE NOT.
But for some reason, criticizing Israel apparently makes you anti-semitic, or a self hating Jew, or according to the other two posters, a potential murderer who would push fellow Jews into the gas chamber.

Now why can't we have a grown up discussion on Israel without those on the pro-Israel side throwing out 'anti-semitism' accusations like they're going out of fashion to anyone who opposes Israel's actions?

But the OP has accused Corbyn of a number of misleading things -such as accepting money from a terrorist group - which he has not. Or sharing a platform with a Holocaust denier - which he has not.

Now I don't support Corbyn, I will not be voting for him but please can we stop with the right wing smearing of him.
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I would be doubly excited to attend a speech of a Holocaust denier or someone who challenged an orthodox view on something because it's interesting.
Would you share a platform with said Holocaust denier and then remark that he is an "honoured citizen" and invite him for tea?

I take it that you also oppose no-platforming?
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Well let's get things straight. I am not anti-semitic, I am Jewish. If I was anti-semitic I would have denounced my Judaism - I have not.
If you praise people who want all Jews dead, you are an anti-semite because you are giving succour to evil ideas.

Because I oppose Israel's actions towards the Palestinian people.
Nope. Merely opposing the actions of the Israeli government is not anti-semitic; many Israelis oppose the actions of their own government.

On the other hand, excusing, minimising and rationalising people who say that Jews murder gentile children to harvest their blood for the passover bread... that is deeply anti-semitic. Being Jewish doesn't mean you're incapable of anti-semitism. There are plenty of closeted gay men who express deep hatred of LGBT people

But for some reason, criticizing Israel apparently makes you anti-semitic
Why is it that whenever Hamas and its supporters are criticised, people like you immediately claim that you're being accused of anti-semitism merely because you criticised Israel? Nobody here has said that merely criticising Israel is anti-semitic

This is a dishonest smokescreen tactic used by people who often are anti-semitic to neutralise anyone who criticises them.

But the OP has accused Corbyn of a number of misleading things -such as accepting money from a terrorist group
Interpal is a listed and proscribed terrorist organisation in the United States. Corbyn took thousands in cash gifts from Interpal.

which he has not. Or sharing a platform with a Holocaust denier - which he has not.
So you think entering a competition called the International Holocaust Cartoon Competition, run by Iran to "challenge Western accounts of the Holocaust", is perfectly fine and dandy? Corbyn shared a platform with such an individual

Anyone who disagrees with me is a Tory and a right-winger. It is literally impossible that a socialist could be offended by Corbyn's associating over and over again with terrorists, Holocaust deniers and anti-semites
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If you praise people who want all Jews dead, you are an anti-semite because you are giving succour to evil ideas.



Nope. Merely opposing the actions of the Israeli government is not anti-semitic; many Israelis oppose the actions of their own government.

On the other hand, excusing, minimising and rationalising people who say that Jews murder gentile children to harvest their blood for the passover bread... that is deeply anti-semitic. Being Jewish doesn't mean you're incapable of anti-semitism. There are plenty of closeted gay men who express deep hatred of LGBT people



Why is it that whenever Hamas and its supporters are criticised, people like you immediately claim that you're being accused of anti-semitism merely because you criticised Israel? Nobody here has said that merely criticising Israel is anti-semitic

This is a dishonest smokescreen tactic used by people who often are anti-semitic to neutralise anyone who criticises them.



Interpal is a listed and proscribed terrorist organisation in the United States. Corbyn took thousands in cash gifts from Interpal.



So you think entering a competition called the International Holocaust Cartoon Competition, run by Iran to "challenge Western accounts of the Holocaust", is perfectly fine and dandy? Corbyn shared a platform with such an individual



FTFY
Firstly America listing someone as a terrorist organisation does not make them so. Even the right wing telegraph challenged that.
But After having accused me of being a potential murderer, who would push fellow Jews into the gas chamber I shan't be responding to you not can I take you seriously if you think those remarks are acceptable.
Members of my own family perished in the Holocaust. For you to accuse me of wanting to push them in the has chambers is utterly disgusting.
If anything, those remarks were borderline anti-Semitic.
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Firstly America listing someone as a terrorist organisation does not make them so.
The fact that America proscribing a group does not necessarily make them a terrorist does not conversely mean that a group listed by America is incapable of being a terrorist group

Even the right wing telegraph challenged that.
That article was written by Peter Oborne, whose views on Islamism are well known. He previously shared a platform with CAGE. Oborne no longer works for the Telegraph

But After having accused me of being a potential murderer, who would push fellow Jews into the gas chamber I shan't be responding to you
And yet when I logged on today I got a little message saying you are now one of my followers.

not can I take you seriously if you think those remarks are acceptable
I thought you like drive by shootings and outrageous remarks? I made a genuine effort to argue my views repeatedly, often with quite detailed comments outlining why I believe what I believe. Your response was to resort to ad hominem one liners.

Members of my own family perished in the Holocaust
So did mine. The fact that members of your family perished in the Holocaust makes it even more revolting that you are so relaxed about people who think it didn't happen.

If anything, those remarks were borderline anti-Semitic.
How is it anti-semitic? What a desperate and laughable comment.
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The fact that America proscribing a group does not necessarily make them a terrorist does not conversely mean that a group listed by America is incapable of being a terrorist group



That article was written by Peter Oborne, whose views on Islamism are well known. He previously shared a platform with CAGE. Oborne no longer works for the Telegraph



And yet when I logged on today I got a little message saying you are now one of my followers.



I thought you like drive by shootings and outrageous remarks? I made a genuine effort to argue my views repeatedly, often with quite detailed comments outlining why I believe what I believe. Your response was to resort to ad hominem one liners.



So did mine. The fact that members of your family perished in the Holocaust makes it even more revolting that you are so relaxed about people who think it didn't happen.



How is it anti-semitic? What a desperate and laughable comment.
So you think that I'm a potential murderer who'd push fellow Jews into the gas chamber?
That's an utterly disgusting comment to make.

At first those who were very pro-Israel accused Those who disagreed of being anti-Semitic but now you've upgraded to calling me a potential murderer?
I am not relaxed about terrorists or holcoaust deniers but you're allegations about corbyn are just plain false and misleading and undermine real anti-semitism.
Really?
Well I think it shrieks of anti-semitism to accuse a Jew of being someone who would push his own friends and family into the gas chambers.
Shame on you, you anti-Semite.
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I am not relaxed about terrorists or holcoaust deniers but you're allegations about corbyn are just plain false
It's not false that Corbyn shared a platform with Carlos Latuff and Abou Jahjah, the former of which entered a cartoon into the International Holocaust Cartoon Compeition run by Iran, the latter of which was fined by a Dutch court for Holocaust denial

It's also not false that Corbyn called Raed Salah an "honoured citizen" who "represents his people well" and said he couldn't wait to have him to tea on the Westminster terrace.

Those are not allegations, they are facts.

Well I think it shrieks of anti-semitism to accuse a Jew of being someone who would push his own friends and family into the gas chambers.
Shame on you.
You don't get to play the "Poor me, I'm shocked, I am exempt from such accusations" card. Members of my family died in the Holocaust too. I have Jewish cousins, and Jewish blood.

You don't get to play the anti-semitism card after having made excuse after excuse for people who associate with Holocaust deniers and blood libel repeaters.

And yes, I think if someone pressed the right buttons you would push people into the gas chamber. It doesn't take pure evil, all it takes is a willingness to excuse evil, and that's where it starts. The first rationalisation leads to another, then another, then another.

Jeremy Corbyn said that "Hamas is dedicated to the best interests of the Palestinian people". They are not, they are deeply oppressive and anti-semitic. You keep making excuses for that. If you are willing to rationalise something so plainly immoral, then I don't think it would be hard to push you down the road toward worse acts. It's the banality of evil, it becomes a conveyor belt of rationalisation, and you're clearly at the starting line
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Shame on you, you anti-Semite.
Says the man who keeps making excuses for Hamas-sympathisers and anti-semitic fascists. You are playing the only card you think you have left. Sad.
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Says the man who keeps making excuses for Hamas-sympathisers and anti-semitic fascists. You are playing the only card you think you have left. Sad.
Sorry I don't debate with anto Semites like you. Accusing a Jew of murdeirng his own family in the gas chambers?
Disgusting anti-semitism rearing its head again.
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Disgusting anti-semitism rearing its head again.
I know you are a disgusting anti-semite. Every day in every way, you make excuses for Holocaust deniers and blood libel repeaters.
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I know you are a disgusting anti-semite. Every day in every way, you make excuses for Holocaust deniers and blood libel repeaters.
Haha hahah hahha.

The anti-Semite accuse others of being anti -Semitic. Oh the irony.i have never made excuses for holcoaust deniers or blood libel repeaters. Never. Care to quote me where I have?
No, because I haven't. I have thoroughly condemned Hamas and all holocaust deniers.
You're the one trying to accuse Jews of murdering their own friends and families in the gas chamber - promotion myths about Judaism and smearing the religion.

You're a disgusting anti-Semite yet you have the audacity to accuse others of it.
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No, because I haven't. I have thoroughly condemned Hamas and all holocaust deniers.
But you support a man who praises Hamas and associates with Holocaust deniers? How that does work?

You're the one trying to accuse Jews of murdering their own friends and families in the gas chamber
The existence of kapos is not a myth, it's a fact. Are you a Holocaust denier? I suppose if you are then you would deny kapos existed.

You're a disgusting anti-Semite.
Apparently me speaking out against Hamas and Raed Salah, and rebuking Corbyn for supporting them, is anti-semitism.

Perhaps you should direct your froth against actual anti-semites? Of course you won't. Instead of criticising Jeremy Corbyn who praised people who called for the death of all Jews, you will criticise the person who is calling Corbyn out. That totally makes sense.
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But you support a man who praises Hamas and associates with Holocaust deniers? How that does work?



The existence of kapos is not a myth, it's a fact. Are you a Holocaust denier? I suppose if you are then you would deny kapos existed.



Apparently me speaking out against Hamas and Raed Salah, and rebuking Corbyn for supporting them, is anti-semitism.

Perhaps you should direct your froth against actual anti-semites? Of course you won't. Instead of criticising Jeremy Corbyn who praised people who called for the death of all Jews, you will criticise the person who is calling Corbyn out. That totally makes sense.
I don't 'support' Corbyn. He did not praise Hamas nor did he accept money from Hamas.
No I'm not a holcoaust denier.
Blocked- I don't debate with anti Semites like you who accuse Jews of being people who would murder fellow Jews in the camps.
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But you support a man who praises Hamas and associates with Holocaust deniers? How that does work?



The existence of kapos is not a myth, it's a fact. Are you a Holocaust denier? I suppose if you are then you would deny kapos existed.



Apparently me speaking out against Hamas and Raed Salah, and rebuking Corbyn for supporting them, is anti-semitism.

Perhaps you should direct your froth against actual anti-semites? Of course you won't. Instead of criticising Jeremy Corbyn who praised people who called for the death of all Jews, you will criticise the person who is calling Corbyn out. That totally makes sense.
Your comments are quite frankly disgusting. I don't see how you don't realise the irony of claiming someone is an anti-semite, but heckling a Jewish person on the internet with claims that they 'aren't Jewish', 'support terrorists', and claiming that they would happily push other Jews into gas chambers. That is vile.

As for Kapo, I really do hope that you are being disingenuous. Jews were kept in that camp and psychologically abused into behaving as they did. If you were sent to a death camp, starved, made to work till you were close to death with not enough clothing to keep you warm, were beaten and abused, practically tortured for months maybe years; you would do anything for a warm coat and a bit of security. What happened at Kapo showed the worst of the Nazi regime, and to pretend it was a choice, as if Jews randomly chose to kill other Jews is completely reprehensible. It was a Nazi concentration camp.

You should completely reassess your line of questioning, your reasoning and your beliefs if you think your posts are at all reasonable.
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Your comments are quite frankly disgusting. I don't see how you don't realise the irony of claiming someone is an anti-semite, but heckling a Jewish person on the internet with claims that they 'aren't Jewish', 'support terrorists', and claiming that they would happily push other Jews into gas chambers. That is vile.

As for Kapo, I really do hope that you are being disingenuous. Jews were kept in that camp and psychologically abused into behaving as they did. If you were sent to a death camp, starved, made to work till you were close to death with not enough clothing to keep you warm, were beaten and abused, practically tortured for months maybe years; you would do anything for a warm coat and a bit of security. What happened at Kapo showed the worst of the Nazi regime, and to pretend it was a choice, as if Jews randomly chose to kill other Jews is completely reprehensible. It was a Nazi concentration camp.

You should completely reassess your line of questioning, your reasoning and your beliefs if you think your posts are at all reasonable.
I wish I could rep this 1000 times. He doesn't see the irony of his own logic.
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More damning facts have come out today

On 22nd August, Corbyn will speak at an event put together by the Middle East Monitor, a group with a pretty dodgy record of playing on anti-semitic tropes.

Corbyn will be sharing a platform with cartoonist Carlos Latuff, a man who entered his cartoons into the Iran-sponsored International Holocaust Cartoon Competition, a competition to quote "challenge Western accounts of the Holocaust".

If this were the only thing Corbyn had ever done, he might get a pass. But given his lavishing praise on Hamas (which called for the death of all Jews in its founding document. Corbyn said they were "dedicated to the best interests" of the Palestinians) and Sheikh Raed Salah (he claims that Jews murder gentile children to harvest their blood. Corbyn called him an "honoured citizen" and invited him to tea on the parliament terrace)

How much more are his supporters going to rationalise, excuse and explain away?
Dear God, Corbyn would probably give people medals for fighting in Syria.
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