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B840 - Policing (Reorganisation of Forces) Bill 2015, TSR Labour Party

Policing (Reorganisation of Forces) Bill 2015
An Act to abolish Police and Crime Commissioners and devolve limited policing powers.

BE IT ENACTED by the Queen's most excellent Majesty, in accordance with the provisions of the Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949, and by the authority of the same, as follows:-

1: Abolition of Police and Crime Commissioners
(1) The Police Reform and Social Responsibility Act 2011 is repealed.

2: Reorganisation of Police Forces in England
(1) The following police forces will be created by means of mergers:
a. East Anglia Police from the merger of Cambridgeshire Constabulary, Norfolk Constabulary and Suffolk Constabulary.
b. East Midlands Police from the merger of Derbyshire Constabulary, Leicestershire Police, Lincolnshire Police, Northamptonshire Police and Nottinghamshire Police.
c. Heart of England Police from the merger of Gloucestershire Constabulary, Thames Valley Police and Wiltshire Police.
d. Home Counties Police from the merger of Bedfordshire Police, Essex Police, Hertfordshire Constabulary, Kent Police and Surrey Police.
e. Marches Police from the merger of Cheshire Constabulary and West Mercia Police.
f. North and East Yorkshire Police from the merger of Humberside Police and North Yorkshire Police.
g. North East Police from the merger of Cleveland Police, Durham Constabulary and Northumbria Police.
h. North West Police from the merger of Cumbria Constabulary and Lancashire Constabulary.
i. South Coast Police from the merger of Dorset Police, Hampshire Constabulary and Sussex Police.
j. South West Police from the merger of Devon and Cornwall Police and Avon and Somerset Police.
k. West Midlands Police from the merger of Staffordshire Police, Warwickshire Police and the existing West Midlands Police.
(2) The Metropolitan Police, City of London Police, Greater Manchester Police, Merseyside Police, South Yorkshire Police and West Yorkshire Police will remain unaffected.

3: Policing Initiatives
(1) The outgoing police force areas shall have the right to veto any initiative introduced by the new merged force from applying in their area.

4: Policing in Wales
(1) The four police forces in Wales will merge to form Heddlu Cymru Wales Police.
(2) Powers over policing in Wales will be devolved to the National Assembly for Wales and the Welsh Assembly Government.

5: Policing in London
(1) Powers over policing in Greater London (the Metropolitan Police and City of London Police areas) will be devolved to the London Assembly and the Greater London Authority.

6: Commencement, Short Title and Extent
(1) This Act may be cited as the Policing Act 2015.
(2) This Act shall extend to England and Wales; and
(3) Shall come into force on 1st January 2016.


Notes
This bill creates the following new police force areas in England and Wales:


In addition to abolishing Police & Crime Commissioner elections, powers over policing are devolved to Wales and London.
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"Heart of England Police" sounds ridiculous lol.
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What does this achieve and where is the costing?
Also, on what basis were these areas determined?
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Why?
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Will this save money, and what are the benefits?

As long as the high standard of policing is kept, that is important
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I don't think 'merger' is the right word for an arrangement that leaves both original bodies intact in their own right (which is required for s3). 'Joint venture' might be better.

I also echo Aph.
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Aye.
Why?
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'Heart of England Police' sounds ridiculous. I will certainly vote 'No' on this Bill until that is changed. What are the benefits of this Bill?
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No reason, no costing, no Aye.

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Why are you leaving South Yorkshire Police untouched? I would have expected this to be the first to be abolished under a Labour proposal, given the miners strike policing. For anyone else, the shameful police actions that led to 96 deaths at Hillsborough and the neglect in Rotherham to act on child abuse allegations should be enough.

West Yorkshire Police were in the pocket of Jimmy Savile and officers often went around for a social chat with the man who is alleged to have abused hundreds of people.
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Why the mergers?

I will not support further devolution to Wales until a referendum is held regarding it becoming the 10th region of England.
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Why?
Because this lessens the number of police forces and increases the size of the average police force area, and therefore the potential for mistakes to be made/evidence to be lost in cases that involve investigations on different sides of a current police force area boundary is also lessened, but the police force areas are small enough for the quality of local policing not to be compromised.
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Aye, let's slim down some deadwood in the police force.

I'm not expecting the cost to be massively different given we're not actually hiring and firing in this bill.

And what's wrong with "Heart of England Police", unless someone has a better suggestion?
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(Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
Because this lessens the number of police forces and increases the size of the average police force area, and therefore the potential for mistakes to be made/evidence to be lost in cases that involve investigations on different sides of a current police force area boundary is also lessened, but the police force areas are small enough for the quality of local policing not to be compromised.
So, how does 3 get enforced then if these bodies no longer exist?
To me all this does is adds an extra layer of bureaucracy
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(Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
Because this lessens the number of police forces and increases the size of the average police force area, and therefore the potential for mistakes to be made/evidence to be lost in cases that involve investigations on different sides of a current police force area boundary is also lessened, but the police force areas are small enough for the quality of local policing not to be compromised.
Yet South Yorkshire is untouched, who have made more mistakes than most.
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Aye, let's slim down some deadwood in the police force.

I'm not expecting the cost to be massively different given we're not actually hiring and firing in this bill.

And what's wrong with "Heart of England Police", unless someone has a better suggestion?
One police force from Slough to the Forest of Dean? Neither considers themselves to be the Heart of England. Think of all the extra travelling for meetings this will involve.
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Scotland's police forces were merged into one. From what little I have heard it's become a Strathclyde Police force takeover of everywhere else.
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(Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
Because this lessens the number of police forces and increases the size of the average police force area, and therefore the potential for mistakes to be made/evidence to be lost in cases that involve investigations on different sides of a current police force area boundary is also lessened, but the police force areas are small enough for the quality of local policing not to be compromised.
The risk of mistakes is lessened because there are less departments? I don't fully get that logic. But doesn't it also mean that mistakes are more likely to be bigger and that corruption is easier?

And I don't believe that policing wouldn't be compromised. I think it will lead to a more urban centric policing and especially Cornwall would lose out massively to the rest of the counties in their district.
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So, how does 3 get enforced then if these bodies no longer exist?
To me all this does is adds an extra layer of bureaucracy
There would presumably be a transition period of say, a year, where the new police forces were responsible for running the actual policing but the leadership of the old ones still had veto powers. I don't really see why any initiatives couldn't just be started after that period had ended.
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