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hearing damage - should we increase awareness?
just how much damage does one do to their ears when going to a nightclub/bar etc? i work at our students union as crew and we are supposed to wear ear plugs during an event to look after our ears, yet noone seems to mention to the thousands of students going out that they could potentially be causing themselves long term hearing problems.
obviously i realise i am, i was just wondering how much? i treasure my hearing and wouldn't want to lose it in later life due to going clubbing now. is it enough that people should maybe be wearing ear plugs on a night out? (im not talking big rubber things, im meaning ones like we use on crew that filter out "bad noise" but still allow you to hear.
anyone got any opinions on this? just how much damage is being done? and should people be made more aware of it?
obviously i realise i am, i was just wondering how much? i treasure my hearing and wouldn't want to lose it in later life due to going clubbing now. is it enough that people should maybe be wearing ear plugs on a night out? (im not talking big rubber things, im meaning ones like we use on crew that filter out "bad noise" but still allow you to hear.
anyone got any opinions on this? just how much damage is being done? and should people be made more aware of it?
e_clark
our bar staff dont atm, but they are bringin in imminently that EVERYONE has to
I think my SU should at least make them available for the bar staff. I didn't even know the tech crew had them until saturday night when Goldie was playing. Thankfully I wasn't on the bar opposite that night so I didn't have to suffer his crap.
e_clark
but its just making me think, if staff have to wear them, whats the difference to the people attending the event? not much imo.....
The difference is the customers have chosen to be there. The employees don't really have a choice.
I've never worn any earplugs, would I still be able to hear someone ordering with them in? Someone told me they only block out deep noise like bass...
yeh they block out bad noise, damaging noise, depends which ones u have, if u get cheapo like 5 p foam ones u wont hear anything, but u can get special ones that allow u to hear still.
and yes customers choose to be there, however, noone really seems to knwo what damage they are doing, they know its not good for them bbut i doubt they know they are causing a lot fo long term damage
and yes customers choose to be there, however, noone really seems to knwo what damage they are doing, they know its not good for them bbut i doubt they know they are causing a lot fo long term damage
In most decent nightclubs the sound systems are set up so that you don't end up going home with ringing ears (a sign you've done damage to your hearing). If you're going home every night from clubbing and your ears are ringing it's a pretty good sign that you need to start wearing some kind of protection otherwise you could end up with tinnitius. Loud gigs are much worse for causing damage because the high frequencies (which do the most damage irrc) aren't as controlled as they are in commericially produced dance music. I've been going to gigs for about 4 years without hearing protection and have already noticed signs of mild tinnitius so i've bought a pair of musicians ear plugs for about 8 quid; not bad considering it could save your hearing.
I remember during Freshers' Week when I first went out clubbing people were dancing near the speakers. I walked past them and could barely stand it, then when I got outside I was actually partially deaf and could only hear a ringing in my ears...I was quite scared! Looking back I find it quite shocking that students dancing near the speakers weren't told to back off, surely organisers must have some idea of how much damage that amount of loud noise can do?
I find earplugs dont really help.
OK this is not directly related... but I go to SantaPod Drag strip with my car quite a lot for "Run what ya brung" days.
Usually a top fuel dragster team will turn up or the jet car will be testing.
Now... if you're in the crowd and a 9 litre V8 goes past runing on alcohol with no exhaust its damn loud!
The point? um... well, I find earplugs don't tend to give a very good seal. Infact, I find it amplifies the sound.
I tend to stick my fingers in my ears at the track when the cars are about to make a pass. I guess doing that in a night club isnt really an option though...
OK this is not directly related... but I go to SantaPod Drag strip with my car quite a lot for "Run what ya brung" days.
Usually a top fuel dragster team will turn up or the jet car will be testing.
Now... if you're in the crowd and a 9 litre V8 goes past runing on alcohol with no exhaust its damn loud!
The point? um... well, I find earplugs don't tend to give a very good seal. Infact, I find it amplifies the sound.
I tend to stick my fingers in my ears at the track when the cars are about to make a pass. I guess doing that in a night club isnt really an option though...
awareness should definately increase, i feel im going deaf and its horrible, really need it to get checked out.
that said, although clubbing is not an addiction, there is awareness about the dangers of smoking everywhere you look but still people choose to do it. so whether anyone would pay any attention I'm not sure.
i want some of those ear plugs :-)
that said, although clubbing is not an addiction, there is awareness about the dangers of smoking everywhere you look but still people choose to do it. so whether anyone would pay any attention I'm not sure.
i want some of those ear plugs :-)
romeosbitch
i want some of those ear plugs :-)
i want some of those ear plugs :-)
http://www.snorestore.co.uk/ is where i got mine, came the next day which was good as i had band practice that night!
BL2007
Have anymore info on this mild tinnitius? I litsen to my mp3 player all the time usually at quite a high volume. When I put my fingers in my ears, I hear mild ringing . A friend has the same thing aswell apparently, but others i've asked do not.
From what i understand (i'm no doctor obviously!) Tinnitius is when you have a constant ringing in your ears, apparently it sounds different to different people but mine sounds just like the ringing you'd get after loud noise exposure. I'd imagine as it gets worse the ringing gets louder, at the moment i can only hear it in quiet environments, most noticably when i'm trying to get to sleep. And yes, if i stick my fingers in my ears i can hear it too!
And for the science bit....
Inside your ear you have lots (can't remember the exact figure) of very fine hairs. These hairs are very important as the speed and amplitude of their vibrations are basically what enables our brain to understand what it is we are hearing. To hear sounds accurately these hairs need to vibrate with the sound wave as it enters the ear, if the sound pressure level is too high (for example if the bass is too loud) the hair is vibrates past it's optimum level and the hairs get stuck in the wrong position. The ringing sound will continue until the hairs return to their "normal" position.
If you hear ringing then you have done permanent damage to your hearing. There's a formula for knowing the extent of the damage, but in general if the ringing lasts for considerably longer than the exposure time to the noise the damage is large. Say, if you were in a club for 4 hours, and in 2/3 days time you still hear ringing, then that's considerable damage, as the exposure time (4 hours) is much less than the ringing time. The ringing may stop, but you will not be able to hear as well. I think the damage is cumulative as well, i.e. each time you hear ringing you'll have damaged it more. E.g. If the hairs have bent too far at a sound pressure level of X the first time, the next time a sound pressure level of less than X will be too much for them to cope and they will get stuck in the wrong position again. The effect that this will have on your hearing is to reduce the frequency range that you can hear successfully, if you ever want to become a music producer or a musician i BEG you to look after your ears.
There's a simple solution that doesn't involve buying ear plugs. It sounds a bit silly, but bear with me... put a small piece of toilet tissue in your ear. The tissue should be enough to reduce the pressure level of the music such that the hairs aren't bent too far. If you are working in a club i'd wear ear plugs, but if you are just on a night out tissue should be fine (as long as you're not doing it every night!).
I haven't explained it very well, but i'm tired, and i did my acoustics modules a long time ago.
Inside your ear you have lots (can't remember the exact figure) of very fine hairs. These hairs are very important as the speed and amplitude of their vibrations are basically what enables our brain to understand what it is we are hearing. To hear sounds accurately these hairs need to vibrate with the sound wave as it enters the ear, if the sound pressure level is too high (for example if the bass is too loud) the hair is vibrates past it's optimum level and the hairs get stuck in the wrong position. The ringing sound will continue until the hairs return to their "normal" position.
If you hear ringing then you have done permanent damage to your hearing. There's a formula for knowing the extent of the damage, but in general if the ringing lasts for considerably longer than the exposure time to the noise the damage is large. Say, if you were in a club for 4 hours, and in 2/3 days time you still hear ringing, then that's considerable damage, as the exposure time (4 hours) is much less than the ringing time. The ringing may stop, but you will not be able to hear as well. I think the damage is cumulative as well, i.e. each time you hear ringing you'll have damaged it more. E.g. If the hairs have bent too far at a sound pressure level of X the first time, the next time a sound pressure level of less than X will be too much for them to cope and they will get stuck in the wrong position again. The effect that this will have on your hearing is to reduce the frequency range that you can hear successfully, if you ever want to become a music producer or a musician i BEG you to look after your ears.
There's a simple solution that doesn't involve buying ear plugs. It sounds a bit silly, but bear with me... put a small piece of toilet tissue in your ear. The tissue should be enough to reduce the pressure level of the music such that the hairs aren't bent too far. If you are working in a club i'd wear ear plugs, but if you are just on a night out tissue should be fine (as long as you're not doing it every night!).
I haven't explained it very well, but i'm tired, and i did my acoustics modules a long time ago.
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