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We might live in something approaching a police state, but things aren't quite that bad yet! However, I would advise you to reconsider, as you could miss out on some offers if you wait until the deadline to send your application in
well other unis dont have the deadline, i applied around 14th october last year and got all my offers except cambridge, so im only really concerned about the oxbridge thing. im not worried about not getting an offer from others, afterall therell still be loadsa peole applying post oct 15th that they have to account for.

(i actually sent my app about a week earlier, but came back to college following a weekend and a few days later was told it wasnt sent and some "urgent" amendments were required to my ps... it turned out the head of year thought 3 extra (and unnecessary) commas must be added. :mad: i was angry cos it meant my application was ever closer to the deadline.

im really interested in how much of a difference it would make to cambridge if i got it in now as opposed to start of october. (hypothetically speaking... theres no way i could get it in at the moment, i dont even have a job yet :rolleyes: yup, im an idiot )

i am rather disorganised but i dont want them to know that
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Seriously, I doubt it would make any difference as long as you do get the form in by the deadline
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i know that it cant be that big a deal applying at the last minute to oxbridge. I applied (i.e. got my form in) on the 15th of October. I was then asked to write an essay, with a deadline 1 week away (the deadline was the same for all applicants, it was my stupidity of applying late). I managed to get that essay in by special delivery on the afternoon of the deadline. I was then given the LAST interview in the entire college (I know i was last, I had to wait ALL day on the last day and when i went back to pick up my bag nobody was there).

They still let me in

Goes to show being bang on the deadlines doesnt screw you over
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i know that it cant be that big a deal applying at the last minute to oxbridge. I applied (i.e. got my form in) on the 15th of October. I was then asked to write an essay, with a deadline 1 week away (the deadline was the same for all applicants, it was my stupidity of applying late). I managed to get that essay in by special delivery on the afternoon of the deadline. I was then given the LAST interview in the entire college (I know i was last, I had to wait ALL day on the last day and when i went back to pick up my bag nobody was there).

They still let me in

Goes to show being bang on the deadlines doesnt screw you over

yeah my whole college got ours in on the 15th hehe..i didn't finish my UCAS application till the 10th of october i don't think!
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(Original post by Willa)
i know that it cant be that big a deal applying at the last minute to oxbridge. I applied (i.e. got my form in) on the 15th of October. I was then asked to write an essay, with a deadline 1 week away (the deadline was the same for all applicants, it was my stupidity of applying late). I managed to get that essay in by special delivery on the afternoon of the deadline. I was then given the LAST interview in the entire college (I know i was last, I had to wait ALL day on the last day and when i went back to pick up my bag nobody was there).

They still let me in

Goes to show being bang on the deadlines doesnt screw you over
o m g..YOU ARE A HERO!
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Hee hee. Best British comedy writing EVER. You could write for your entire lifetime and never come up with enough good material to form a single episode of it.

Let's see... what are my favourite Humphreyisms?

There was a brilliant one in a cabinet meeting where Humphrey was explaining why the minutes to the official meetings existed so that officials could be officially sure of what they said in the meeting because in any meeting of officials the officials with have a different recollection of what they said so the official minutes are kept to settle minute disputes between officials about what the officials said, officially. Or something like that. I wish I had the quote.

The one I do have is from the sub-committee meeting where Humphrey defends accusations that he and the minister are just batting back and forth between each other ( Humphrey has just claimed that the minister is responisble for administrative policy, while the minister maintained that Humphrey was the chap to speak to because he was in charge of policy administration ).

"Yes, yes, yes. I do see that there's a real dilemma here. In that, while it has been government policy to regard policy as a responsibility of Ministers and administration as a responsibility of Officials, the questions of administrative policy can cause confusion between the policy of administration and the administration of policy, especially when responsibility for the administration of the policy of administration conflicts, or overlaps with, responsibility for the policy of the administration of policy." ( Not as good without Nigel Hawthorne's delivery but nothing ever could be ).

I don't know about the civil service but if I'm not good enough to take philosophy on to levels beyond undergraduate and fail to produce anything worth publishing I may try to worm my way into politics via the scottish legal system. Watch this space.
my favourite is when sir humphrey asks another civil servant about how the new Freedom of Information Bill is coming along, and said servant responds, "Oh, I can't possible discuss it with you!".

How brilliant is that?!
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most smart people are lazy
so so so true!
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Any people who've been through the process this year feel there new inputs are required for this?
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Just that threre is ever more proof that the lateness of your application mmakes no difference to the end result. The reason for delay in sooo many cases is the bad organisation or general over-whelmedness (?) of the schools and colleges sending off the forms in time. This also happened to me, with both my UCAS form my Oxford form and my written work. I still got a place! As long as it goes in before the deadline (or even on the deadline) there will not be a problem and it will probably not even be recorded that your forms and work arrived later than some others. If work arrives very, very early then it is less likely to be an accurate impression of how the candidate might be wokring at the time of the interviews, and shows perhaps an unhealthy keenness? :winks:
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Any people who've been through the process this year feel there new inputs are required for this?
Just for applicants to make sure they really want to do it and if so then really srat finding out as much as possible, the earlier you start thiking the better.
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Perhaps, useful for next year? (List is for general UCAS Application, but over-eager ones tend to go for Oxbridge...)

Building towards UCAS 2005 - Ten Things to Do
By Geoff Riley of Tutor2U

(1) Look out for the opportunities to enter essay prizes and other competitions both at school and beyond
(2) Attend as many lectures and other meetings as you can, follow them up with reading
(3) Read a quality broadsheet newspaper every day, become regular reader of magazines and journals
(4) Be proactive in seeking work experience opportunities however brief with different organisations
(5) In the school room, always question what is being taught, be active in discussion - dont sit back
(6) Get involved with school societies and organisations outside of school
(7) Ask your teachers for suggestions for background reading that will take you beyond the syllabus
(8) Engage in online communities of like minded students - you may meet up with them at interview!
(9) Travel - soak up experiences and write about them
(10) Keep a journal of articles
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All of the above is one method, probably a very good method, but (in my view) what you really need to do is be passionate and very good at your subject, and to find out what you can about it. However what is most important around application time is not to spend most of your time perfecting an Oxbridge application when you should be passing your exams and having some sort of social life. At the end of the day no amount of debating, essay writing comps or reading of broadsheets will get you into oxbridge, what gets you in is ability, and passion about your subject.
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At the end of the day no amount of debating, essay writing comps or reading of broadsheets will get you into oxbridge, what gets you in is ability, and passion about your subject.
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All of the above is one method, probably a very good method, but (in my view) what you really need to do is be passionate and very good at your subject, and to find out what you can about it. However what is most important around application time is not to spend most of your time perfecting an Oxbridge application when you should be passing your exams and having some sort of social life. At the end of the day no amount of debating, essay writing comps or reading of broadsheets will get you into oxbridge, what gets you in is ability, and passion about your subject.
I agree 100%. Of that list I did about 2 or 3, and I was doing them already, not because I thought they'd help me with my ucas application. It's much better not to be completely obsessed with your oxbridge application as it won't help much and also if you do get rejected you'll be absolutely devastated. I took the opinion if I was good enough I'd get an offer, if I wasn't then I wouldn't have done very well on the course so would have accepted either outcome.

I can see why some of those might be useful on your personal statement for unis where that's all they read, but even then it's your last year of school so you want to enjoy it rather than getting obsessive.
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Would you not say that taking the time to enter essay competitions, and read extra about your subject counts as passion? And winning those competitions in your subject, winning relevant debates (all of the top debaters should be able to get in for Oxford PPE) counts as ability?
While entering essay competitions may show passion, if I was an admissions tutor I'd probably just think they were only doing it to enhance their application, not because they actually wanted to! And winning debates is surely more about knowledge and debating ability rather than your actual ability in the subject - I'm sure that not every debate is won by someone who specialises in that subject or there wouldn't be any top debaters because each person would only be good in a couple of subjects.
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deianra I accept that there is nothing 'wrong' with your tactics at all. Just I simply think that all this extra work is just going to be too much of a distraction and waste of time for the majority of candidates. An admissions tutor will see straight through it in about 2 seconds. I believe that someone who does all the above and gets in would probably do so with or without it as the tutors are looking for their ability above all, and this should come through regardless.

passion about your subject is an essential thing to have, i agree, but I disagree that you need to write extra essays and go sightseeing to show this passion, if it is there the tutors will find out very quickly at interview, if its all a sham they will realise that too! For you these activities were the way you expressed your love of your subject but for me it would be overkill, and false. I love my subject but I'm not the sort of person who can't wait to go and write an essay all about it, and to be honest I think the majority of 6 formers have a similar relaxed approach.
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&I'd rather read than do this ridiculous Mechanicslarky that they shoved into my Maths syllabus, when I specifically said I didn't want to do anything but Pure and Stats...
You mean your school doesn't choose modules based on what you want? Shocking.
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You mean your school doesn't choose modules based on what you want? Shocking.
Half of the syllabus is self-taught, and there's only three of us, so there should be some lee-way. I volunteered to self-teach S3/S4 instead of doing the dreaded Mechanics (I can't even do M1)...so I didn't think it was that unreasonable?
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Half of the syllabus is self-taught, and there's only three of us, so there should be some lee-way. I volunteered to self-teach S3/S4 instead of doing the dreaded Mechanics (I can't even do M1)...so I didn't think it was that unreasonable?
If you're self teaching other bits anyway, I don't see why they'd stop you :confused: They can't force you to take specific exams.
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deianra please do not consider what I have said "an attack" because I certainly do not intend it in that way at all. I agree that the mini list you highlighted would probably be fulfilled by most oxbridge candidates anyway, however If I am being honest I don't think that you are the average candidate. I do not mean this as a criticism at all, because it most certainly isn't, but if you did all the things on your list, and entered essay writing comps and won them etc. etc. etc. that you are probably not a 'typical' candidate. Therefore while these things may be perfect for you because thats who you really are, and therfore by highlighting them in your application you would not be being at all false, but had I suddently starting doing essay comps and writing journals and (shock horror) asking for more work in AS and A2 from my teachers I wouldn't have been being true to myself, because thats just not who I am.

Therefore, I think that for oxbridge especially those kind of extra activities (although I agree some are just simply common sense) might make a candidate appear false because they are trying to be someone they are not just to get a place at Oxbridge. For you it was fine, because it is who you are, for me I would have been lying through my teeth.
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