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Cambridge - Making an Appeal / Complaint
I've been posting in the Official Pool Thread about how you can appeal against rejection from Cambridge. This fact does not seem to widely known so I'm starting a new thread in the hope that it will be seen by more people.
It seems to result in strong feelings but that fact is that there is a procedure set in place to consider any appeals and complaints. So, if you feel you were disadvantaged during your application process you can appeal.
People have used the procedure in the past and will in the future, all appeals are considered and do sometimes result in places being offered.
I fail to see why someone who is offered a place as a result of an appeal should be called a "jumped up little idiot" as was the case by a poster in the Official Pool Thread. If Cambridge look at your application again and decide to offer you a place then congratulations!
It seems to result in strong feelings but that fact is that there is a procedure set in place to consider any appeals and complaints. So, if you feel you were disadvantaged during your application process you can appeal.
People have used the procedure in the past and will in the future, all appeals are considered and do sometimes result in places being offered.
I fail to see why someone who is offered a place as a result of an appeal should be called a "jumped up little idiot" as was the case by a poster in the Official Pool Thread. If Cambridge look at your application again and decide to offer you a place then congratulations!
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Stop encouraging private school brats to waste the admissions tutors' time.
dog biscuit
I've been posting in the Official Pool Thread about how you can appeal against rejection from Cambridge. This fact does not seem to widely known so I'm starting a new thread in the hope that it will be seen by more people.
It seems to result in strong feelings but that fact is that there is a procedure set in place to consider any appeals and complaints. So, if you feel you were disadvantaged during your application process you can appeal.
People have used the procedure in the past and will in the future, all appeals are considered and do sometimes result in places being offered.
I fail to see why someone who is offered a place as a result of an appeal should be called a "jumped up little idiot" as was the case by a poster in the Official Pool Thread. If Cambridge look at your application again and decide to offer you a place then congratulations!
It seems to result in strong feelings but that fact is that there is a procedure set in place to consider any appeals and complaints. So, if you feel you were disadvantaged during your application process you can appeal.
People have used the procedure in the past and will in the future, all appeals are considered and do sometimes result in places being offered.
I fail to see why someone who is offered a place as a result of an appeal should be called a "jumped up little idiot" as was the case by a poster in the Official Pool Thread. If Cambridge look at your application again and decide to offer you a place then congratulations!
I was reading about that sinclair person (it was like 2000 but whatever) on the bbc website, who complained about being rejected by cambridge yet getting really high results, claiming he was discriminated against because of his state school education. Anybody who thinks that they are Cambridge material in spite of being rejected (especially when they blame other factors) is clearly a jumped up tosser.
yeah, but any parent who actually believes in the two-tier system and that sending their child to a school where they have to pay for their education (when they could get a perfectly good one for free!) will mean a better future, is a berk and will have most probably passed on their berk-like qualities to their children. That's why most private school children are berks and so in love with themselves, they'd probably complain about not getting in.
Lewi
Someones got a chip on their shoulder...
yeah, but any parent who actually believes in the two-tier system and that sending their child to a school where they have to pay for their education (when they could get a perfectly good one for free!) will mean a better future, is a berk and will have most probably passed on their berk-like qualities to their children. That's why most private school children are berks and so in love with themselves, they'd probably complain about not getting in.
janemansfield
yeah, but any parent who actually believes in the two-tier system and that sending their child to a school where they have to pay for their education (when they could get a perfectly good one for free!) will mean a better future, is a berk and will have most probably passed on their berk-like qualities to their children. That's why most private school children are berks and so in love with themselves, they'd probably complain about not getting in.
Perfectly good educations for free? Good, speak your mind and let all the misguided preconceptions fall out! I don't know if you thought about this, but where you find good state schools, you also find expensive houses. To live within the catchment of a decent state school, you have to move to one of these areas and buy/rent accomodation there. Now these places have their house prices bumped up by a huge amount, because there are people willing to pay this amount for their children to go to a good school. It seems to me that there is no way to get a perfectly good education for free, there are always hangups that make you have to pay through the nose.
As to the other point, private/public schools DO provide a better education, like it or not.
Lewi
Perfectly good educations for free? Good, speak your mind and let all the misguided preconceptions fall out! I don't know if you thought about this, but where you find good state schools, you also find expensive houses. To live within the catchment of a decent state school, you have to move to one of these areas and buy/rent accomodation there. Now these places have their house prices bumped up by a huge amount, because there are people willing to pay this amount for their children to go to a good school. It seems to me that there is no way to get a perfectly good education for free, there are always hangups that make you have to pay through the nose.
As to the other point, private/public schools DO provide a better education, like it or not.
As to the other point, private/public schools DO provide a better education, like it or not.
no i'm aware there are bad state schools, but i'm talking from the perspective of my area, one with relatively high house prices. In my area, there are 3 good state schools and 3 good private ones. I'm just saying how it's beyond me that anyone would pick a private one when the state schools have such good reputations. hence the berkiness of these people.
janemansfield
no i'm aware there are bad state schools, but i'm talking from the perspective of my area, one with relatively high house prices. In my area, there are 3 good state schools and 3 good private ones. I'm just saying how it's beyond me that anyone would pick a private one when the state schools have such good reputations. hence the berkiness of these people.
Simply because they don't want to have to move house to get into the catchment area of a good state school? Or because they recognise that decent public schools will possibly help with networking for a career?
Lewi
Simply because they don't want to have to move house to get into the catchment area of a good state school? Or because they recognise that decent public schools will possibly help with networking for a career?
no, i said people who already live in my area and choose a private school over a state school are berks. there's no up and moving about involved.
'recognising' is a nice replacement for 'being such a complete tosser you actually believe prospective employees could give a **** about what school you went to or who you know'.
and what type of school do you go to?
its personal choice-enough said. If a person has enough money and can send their child to a school where they will get better facilities and teaching then a state then what is wrong with that? If anything it gives their place to a child who really needs that state education. My view is if that parents can afford it and want to then who are we to judge it? Having been to a bad state school myself, if I could afford it, then I think would eduate my kids privately. It frees up more places in the state system anyway.
we could have afforded it. but just because it might free up places doesn't mean we should play into the two-tier system, it's a disgrace, if the government actually gave a crap there wouldn't be a need for private schools and the rahs would have to mix with us riff-raff.
I hate elitism in any form, and that includes the belief that just because you earn more, you should have access to better education, the two-tier system is fundamentally repulsive. It's these people's elitist attitude that actually makes people believe paying for their education will help them in the future. I had a friend whose parents don't even have a carpet because they spend all their money sending her to a private school, and my dad has a friend who said of his son's GCSEs "well i've worked out that cost me £20,000 per A grade".
In my area, my state school had the best ratio for oxbridge acceptances. enough said.
I hate elitism in any form, and that includes the belief that just because you earn more, you should have access to better education, the two-tier system is fundamentally repulsive. It's these people's elitist attitude that actually makes people believe paying for their education will help them in the future. I had a friend whose parents don't even have a carpet because they spend all their money sending her to a private school, and my dad has a friend who said of his son's GCSEs "well i've worked out that cost me £20,000 per A grade".
In my area, my state school had the best ratio for oxbridge acceptances. enough said.
janemansfield
we could have afforded it. but just because it might free up places doesn't mean we should play into the two-tier system, it's a disgrace, if the government actually gave a crap there wouldn't be a need for private schools and the rahs would have to mix with us riff-raff.
Not all people who go to private schools are snobs, just like not all people who go to state schools are chavs. I agree that there shouldn't be a need for private schools, but there is and parents should be allowed to spend their money as they like.
In my area, my state school had the best ratio for oxbridge acceptances. enough said.
Lucky you. Other areas aren't so fortunate.
Childermass
Lucky you. Other areas aren't so fortunate.
that's really not what i'm trying to say. I'm very lucky to go to such a good state school, I'm aware, but what I'm trying to say is that propped up against 3 private schools that have always beaten us every single year for oxbridge offers, this proves that sending your child to a private school does not necessarily guarentee success.
Niccolo Stop encouraging private school brats to waste the admissions tutors' time.
-x-Nina-x- Exactly, if they are not happy, they can reapply. But if they think they have been treated unfairly then maybe they shouldn't want to go there anyway.
I've no idea why you are reacting in such a way. If you are really worried about the sensible use of Cambridge Uni's resources please relax and chill they can cope!
Incidently the appeal /complaint (call it what you will) procedure is open to everyone, not just private school pupils. Incidentally the labelling private school pupils as "brats" is very childish to say the least!
Well you've got the Labour Party to thank for the rubbish education system. Our selective grammars are fantastic, and Blair should keep his grubby mits off them. Maybe academic selection isn't fair, but it's a lot fairer than effectively bidding for a decent education. And produces better results (on average) than the English system overall.
To clear things up: i certainly didn't try to suggest that all private schoolers are brats-they constitute the majority of my best friends. Just that people from said type of school rejected for not being clever enough are the most likely to appeal, believing that they are easily as smart as their colleagues who got in, despite being less intelligent than both them and the comp and grammar kids who also received offers.
As someone who has spent 10+ years in boarding public schools, I feel I ought to comment on some of the misconceptions here.
Firstly, why is the "two-tier" system such a "disgrace"? Sure, many believe that good education is a basic human right, but so is food, or even shelter. Saying that the concept of private education is a disgrace is quite ridiculous. If money shouldn't be used to buy a better education, then should money be used to buy better food or housing? It's a ridiculous statement that appears to be fuelled only by bitterness. Taxes simply do not provide enough money to bring every state school up to the standard of the top private schools in terms of facilities and staff, and so expecting state schools to be of such a standard is rather silly.
Secondly, you seem to be basing the quality of a school on academic results alone - but this again is ridiculous, as that is not the only measure of a good education. A good education should have breadth as well as depth. Did your state schools offer all the extra curriculars that a good public school would offer? I doubt it, simply because the facilities cost a lot of money. Were you given opportunities to go on school trips abroad several times a term to learn about different cultures or gain real world experience? Again, I doubt it.
As for the whole "success" argument - only you can alter your future and make it a success or a failure. The education is just a push in the right (or wrong) direction. Going to a private school will often give you more opportunities and allow your skills to flourish and thus ease you into a more successful career than you would otherwise have had, but ultimately it's up to you and not your school. With the increasingly meritocratic workplace the old boys' tie doesn't have as much of an impact as it used to be, but the old boys' network is still very much alive and, whilst I don't like to say it, that is probably one of the biggest advantages of private education.
Firstly, why is the "two-tier" system such a "disgrace"? Sure, many believe that good education is a basic human right, but so is food, or even shelter. Saying that the concept of private education is a disgrace is quite ridiculous. If money shouldn't be used to buy a better education, then should money be used to buy better food or housing? It's a ridiculous statement that appears to be fuelled only by bitterness. Taxes simply do not provide enough money to bring every state school up to the standard of the top private schools in terms of facilities and staff, and so expecting state schools to be of such a standard is rather silly.
Secondly, you seem to be basing the quality of a school on academic results alone - but this again is ridiculous, as that is not the only measure of a good education. A good education should have breadth as well as depth. Did your state schools offer all the extra curriculars that a good public school would offer? I doubt it, simply because the facilities cost a lot of money. Were you given opportunities to go on school trips abroad several times a term to learn about different cultures or gain real world experience? Again, I doubt it.
As for the whole "success" argument - only you can alter your future and make it a success or a failure. The education is just a push in the right (or wrong) direction. Going to a private school will often give you more opportunities and allow your skills to flourish and thus ease you into a more successful career than you would otherwise have had, but ultimately it's up to you and not your school. With the increasingly meritocratic workplace the old boys' tie doesn't have as much of an impact as it used to be, but the old boys' network is still very much alive and, whilst I don't like to say it, that is probably one of the biggest advantages of private education.
gwright
As someone who has spent 10+ years in boarding public schools, I feel I ought to comment on some of the misconceptions here.
Firstly, why is the "two-tier" system such a "disgrace"? Sure, many believe that good education is a basic human right, but so is food, or even shelter. Saying that the concept of private education is a disgrace is quite ridiculous. If money shouldn't be used to buy a better education, then should money be used to buy better food or housing? It's a ridiculous statement that appears to be fuelled only by bitterness.
Firstly, why is the "two-tier" system such a "disgrace"? Sure, many believe that good education is a basic human right, but so is food, or even shelter. Saying that the concept of private education is a disgrace is quite ridiculous. If money shouldn't be used to buy a better education, then should money be used to buy better food or housing? It's a ridiculous statement that appears to be fuelled only by bitterness.
why does everyone assume that to be anti-elitist you need to be fuelled by bitterness? perhaps some people believe in equality and despise privilege?
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