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janemansfield
why does everyone assume that to be anti-elitist you need to be fuelled by bitterness? perhaps some people believe in equality and despise privilege?
Does this extend to boycotting Waitrose? If you're going to dislike people based on whether they are willing to pay exorbitant amounts to receive a better product, then at least be consistant.
Childermass
Does this extend to boycotting Waitrose? If you're going to dislike people based on whether they are willing to pay exorbitant amounts to receive a better product, then at least be consistant.
stop trivialising it with crappy referrences to food. I don't see how waitrose's extortionate prices have any social implications.
Money is meant to be spent. How people spend their money is their problem, and nobody elses. If you think that money could be better spent, tell them about it. Don't tell us.
If I had the money, I would buy a tank and drive it around. I would make my own parking spaces, and nobody would ever tow me away. Bumper bashing would be history.
I'll also put solar panels on the roof to make it environmentally friendly.
If I had the money, I would buy a tank and drive it around. I would make my own parking spaces, and nobody would ever tow me away. Bumper bashing would be history.
I'll also put solar panels on the roof to make it environmentally friendly.
janemansfield
no, i said people who already live in my area and choose a private school over a state school are berks
No, you said that parents who thought their children would get a better education at private school were berks, and made no mention of geographical area. It's an unavoidable fact that, in many areas, state school education is inferior to private, at least in terms of academics.
I'm a staunch believer in state education. Indeed, if I had my way, private schooling wouldn't exist. But it's a perfectly reasonable choice for parents to make if their local state school is sub-par.
Ditting Suck
No, you said that parents who thought their children would get a better education at private school were berks, and made no mention of geographical area. It's an unavoidable fact that, in many areas, state school education is inferior to private, at least in terms of academics.
I'm a staunch believer in state education. Indeed, if I had my way, private schooling wouldn't exist. But it's a perfectly reasonable choice for parents to make if their local state school is sub-par.
I'm a staunch believer in state education. Indeed, if I had my way, private schooling wouldn't exist. But it's a perfectly reasonable choice for parents to make if their local state school is sub-par.
fair enough, i'd have to agree with that, but how many parents can afford to send their child to a private school if the local state school isn't as good? i just don't think it's a fair system and people shouldn't encourage it if they live near a decent state school.
Hey! All you people with chips on both shoulders about private education go and get your own thread!
This thread was opened to publicise the fact that there is an appeals procedure for Cambridge applications. It has absolutely nothing to do with whether you are educated privately or in the state system, the appeals procedure applies to all!
This thread was opened to publicise the fact that there is an appeals procedure for Cambridge applications. It has absolutely nothing to do with whether you are educated privately or in the state system, the appeals procedure applies to all!
I can't really think of any serious ideological objections to private schools these days, especially given the present condition of state schools. I had the option to go to one, and my decision not to was certainly not based on any egalitarian principles, just on the fact that everybody I knew there was a c**ksucker.
Solemn Wanderer I entirely see your point, but this is not the angle that I feel dog biscuit is pressing. He seems to just be encouraging people to do so regardless. He reminds me of the stereotypical 'ambulance chasing' lawyer. Thats what I don't like about it.
Uni resources can cope? Are you here? Do you have any idea whatsoever how much time and effort is put into the application process by so many people to make it as fair and equal as possible? They do their best, and there are not the resources to deal with such numbers of complaints. And by your standards, most of said complaints would probably be wholly unjustified.
Uni resources can cope? Are you here? Do you have any idea whatsoever how much time and effort is put into the application process by so many people to make it as fair and equal as possible? They do their best, and there are not the resources to deal with such numbers of complaints. And by your standards, most of said complaints would probably be wholly unjustified.
SunderX
Money is meant to be spent. How people spend their money is their problem, and nobody elses. If you think that money could be better spent, tell them about it. Don't tell us.
If I had the money, I would buy a tank and drive it around. I would make my own parking spaces, and nobody would ever tow me away. Bumper bashing would be history.
I'll also put solar panels on the roof to make it environmentally friendly.
If I had the money, I would buy a tank and drive it around. I would make my own parking spaces, and nobody would ever tow me away. Bumper bashing would be history.
I'll also put solar panels on the roof to make it environmentally friendly.
If I had my way, I'd get rid of this troublesome complaints procedure. It's only there as a figurehead anyway.
A tank? That sounds excellent!
In contrast to previous posts, I would have to say that is the private school rejectees who seem to be mroe extreme in their debunking of Oxbridge after rejection.
In my opinion, if you got rejected you got rejected. End of story.
-x-Nina-x-
"Ambulance chasing Lawyer" can't see how or why you have come up with that!!!!!!!!!!!!
I repeat all I am trying to do is to let people know there is an appeals procedure! Whether you like it or not the appeals procedure exists and can be used by anyone who thinks that they could have good reason to do so.
Your concern for Cambridge resources is touching but do give people some credit. If you've been rejected you are not going to lightly put yourself forward for further rejection unless you think you have a valid case. Cambridge recognises this, even if you don't, to repeat for one last time, that is why there is an appeals procedure in place.
Maybe we are not reading each others posts correctly, you read ambulance chaser and I'm reading posts from someone who comes across as "I'm all right Jack, I got in so all is right with the world...."
If someone feels they have been disadvantaged they have the right to appeal and you can not deny that or can you decide what is and is not a worthwhile appeal. Let Cambridge applications do that after all you do seem think the system infalliable otherwise why would you want to discourage the right to appeal?!
I've done all I wanted in bringing the appeals procedure to the attention of TSR members.
If you decide to appeal, go for it and good luck, Cambridge is a great place to study. If you get in after appeal well done, you deserve your place just as much as anyone else, don't let anyone knock you! If you are still rejected at least you know you've given it your best shot and dealt with any procedural errors that were part of your application.
If you don't feel you have a reason to appeal then not one of my posts have been aimed at you, good luck wherever you choose to go.
I hope my posts have been helpful..... I need to go and work so probably i'll not be posting on this thread again. Good luck and happiness to all, who knows we bump into each other in Cambridge.
"Ambulance chasing Lawyer" can't see how or why you have come up with that!!!!!!!!!!!!
I repeat all I am trying to do is to let people know there is an appeals procedure! Whether you like it or not the appeals procedure exists and can be used by anyone who thinks that they could have good reason to do so.
Your concern for Cambridge resources is touching but do give people some credit. If you've been rejected you are not going to lightly put yourself forward for further rejection unless you think you have a valid case. Cambridge recognises this, even if you don't, to repeat for one last time, that is why there is an appeals procedure in place.
Maybe we are not reading each others posts correctly, you read ambulance chaser and I'm reading posts from someone who comes across as "I'm all right Jack, I got in so all is right with the world...."
If someone feels they have been disadvantaged they have the right to appeal and you can not deny that or can you decide what is and is not a worthwhile appeal. Let Cambridge applications do that after all you do seem think the system infalliable otherwise why would you want to discourage the right to appeal?!
I've done all I wanted in bringing the appeals procedure to the attention of TSR members.
If you decide to appeal, go for it and good luck, Cambridge is a great place to study. If you get in after appeal well done, you deserve your place just as much as anyone else, don't let anyone knock you! If you are still rejected at least you know you've given it your best shot and dealt with any procedural errors that were part of your application.
If you don't feel you have a reason to appeal then not one of my posts have been aimed at you, good luck wherever you choose to go.
I hope my posts have been helpful..... I need to go and work so probably i'll not be posting on this thread again. Good luck and happiness to all, who knows we bump into each other in Cambridge.
Let me ask anyone who regards self-financed education to be a disgrace: were you to have a) a child and b) sufficient funds to afford it, would you rather give your offspring a private education or a state one?
If the latter, why? Do you honestly believe that state education is better (or rather, no worse) than that in the private sector? Or are you willing to prejudice your youngsters' education in order to fulfill some (usually left-wing) desire for equality in education?
For the record, my parents worked extremely hard to put me through a fairly decent public school (despite having a 100% scholarship, it's still bloody expensive), the results of which are paying off in terms of a Cambridge degree and subsequent employment. I have no doubt whatsoever that I wouldn't have had the quality of education I did have at the state schools available where I lived -- they didn't have £xx million in school fees as extra income every year.
Obviously, there were those whose parents were paying for them to get the same education I did, but didn't take advantage of it -- a crying shame. But, to be brutally honest, I've sufficient lack of faith in state education that were I to have children tomorrow I'd make the same decisions my parents did with regards to paying for my childrens' education.
If the latter, why? Do you honestly believe that state education is better (or rather, no worse) than that in the private sector? Or are you willing to prejudice your youngsters' education in order to fulfill some (usually left-wing) desire for equality in education?
For the record, my parents worked extremely hard to put me through a fairly decent public school (despite having a 100% scholarship, it's still bloody expensive), the results of which are paying off in terms of a Cambridge degree and subsequent employment. I have no doubt whatsoever that I wouldn't have had the quality of education I did have at the state schools available where I lived -- they didn't have £xx million in school fees as extra income every year.
Obviously, there were those whose parents were paying for them to get the same education I did, but didn't take advantage of it -- a crying shame. But, to be brutally honest, I've sufficient lack of faith in state education that were I to have children tomorrow I'd make the same decisions my parents did with regards to paying for my childrens' education.
yes yes quite. I pretty much agree with you SW, I think it is the nature and connotations of the word 'appeal', that suggests some great injustice is done by not offering someone a place. I also think the term 'procedural error' is very hard to define (generally speaking, i agree with you in terms of autopooling). But generally, if you were straight rejected, rather than being pooled, its not necessarily that you weren't good enough, just that there were x number of people that were better than you. Its *not* necessarily because they don't feel you are good enough.
Does anyone else get the feeling DB was indeed the person that got in by this method and is feeling smug about it?
Does anyone else get the feeling DB was indeed the person that got in by this method and is feeling smug about it?
I agree that the use word 'appeal' is wrong as it implies that it is a relatively black-and-white issue whether someone is offered a place or not, whereas in fact to some extent (unlike in, say, a criminal court case) there isn't a right-or-wrong decision -- it's just a case of an individual DoS's judgement. However to make a complaint about having been treated unfairly in some aspect of the admissions process is a quite legitimate use of the English language.
Also, although I will not cast doubt on the OP's story that someone has got in by the way described in the "official pool thread", I reckon the numbers getting into Cambridge in this way are so small (perhaps only that one person, indeed!) that they might be considered the exception that proves the rule. Certainly, referring to it as a 'process' implies that it is a formal and openly available system, which it definitely is not.
Also, although I will not cast doubt on the OP's story that someone has got in by the way described in the "official pool thread", I reckon the numbers getting into Cambridge in this way are so small (perhaps only that one person, indeed!) that they might be considered the exception that proves the rule. Certainly, referring to it as a 'process' implies that it is a formal and openly available system, which it definitely is not.
The reason that education should be of universal standard, as opposed to other rights such as food and shelter, is that a private education gives a person an advantage in life which they themselves did nothing for. It creates a completely unlevel playing field in the job market throughout people's lives.
How anyone can even tolerate the existence of privately funded schools without fighting tooth and nail for the retention and extension of the grammar school system is beyond me. Presumably it is perfectly acceptable for education to be granted on the basis of wealth, but not merit.
How anyone can even tolerate the existence of privately funded schools without fighting tooth and nail for the retention and extension of the grammar school system is beyond me. Presumably it is perfectly acceptable for education to be granted on the basis of wealth, but not merit.
I am not sure I understand you correctly, Dannybody, but if you're saying that education should be equal and the same for all, then I must say that this is a really foolish thing. Applying things like equality to university education is a perverseness of the ideals of the French revolution. Where would we be if everybody received the same education?
Equal opportunities? Yes, by all means! But equal education, regardless of one's skills and talents - hell no!
Equal opportunities? Yes, by all means! But equal education, regardless of one's skills and talents - hell no!
CamRules
I am not sure I understand you correctly, Dannybody, but if you're saying that education should be equal and the same for all, then I must say that this is a really foolish thing. Applying things like equality to university education is a perverseness of the ideals of the French revolution. Where would we be if everybody received the same education?
Equal opportunities? Yes, by all means! But equal education, regardless of one's skills and talents - hell no!
Equal opportunities? Yes, by all means! But equal education, regardless of one's skills and talents - hell no!
I think you missed Dannyboy152's point.
Dannyboy152
How anyone can even tolerate the existence of privately funded schools without fighting tooth and nail for the retention and extension of the grammar school system is beyond me. Presumably it is perfectly acceptable for education to be granted on the basis of wealth, but not merit.
Surely he's arguing against private schools but FOR grammar schools which doesn't mean equal education.. Personally I dislike the tiered education system because as Dannyboy rightly said, private education, as opposed to food from Waitrose, gives you an advantage in later life. That is the fundamental difference. I don't think you could get a job as a lawyer by claiming to have eaten food from Waitrose all your life...
As someone who was forced to go to a private school from the age of 11 ( i got in on a 50% scholarship), i have to say, i hated it. There are perfectly good state schools in my area so why should anyone round here need it? a boy who i went to primary school (state) with went to a state school for 11+ and is applying to cambridge next year with about 7 a-levels. I left private for a state college at 16 and never looked back. School isnt just about education, people forget that, i hated my school because it was all girls and they were bitchy and cruel. The facilitys were ****e, the teachers were pretty dam crap and it certainly wasnt worth paying for. My boyfriend also went to a private school and ended up rebelling because he hated it. he came out of school with sum crap grades, went to state sixth form college with me and is doing much better now. We wont send our kids to a private school as we have experienced both and know what works better for us. If ur kid is gonna succeed in life they need to do it for themselves, not their parents or their schools.
I think unless u r severely disadvantaged in ur interview (family death the day before etc) then there is no point in complaining. Just move on, accept it and look forward to wherever ur gonna go instead. Its there for the extreme cases, not the petty ones so dont abuse it.
As for bias towards private school people, im not sure. I got in and im at a state, as did a few people i know. However our figures are nothing like the private school figures. This may be because we arent pushed to apply and only people who really want it out of their own choice apply. Or it may be bias...who knows lol
I think unless u r severely disadvantaged in ur interview (family death the day before etc) then there is no point in complaining. Just move on, accept it and look forward to wherever ur gonna go instead. Its there for the extreme cases, not the petty ones so dont abuse it.
As for bias towards private school people, im not sure. I got in and im at a state, as did a few people i know. However our figures are nothing like the private school figures. This may be because we arent pushed to apply and only people who really want it out of their own choice apply. Or it may be bias...who knows lol
Dannyboy152
The reason that education should be of universal standard, as opposed to other rights such as food and shelter, is that a private education gives a person an advantage in life which they themselves did nothing for. It creates a completely unlevel playing field in the job market throughout people's lives.
How anyone can even tolerate the existence of privately funded schools without fighting tooth and nail for the retention and extension of the grammar school system is beyond me. Presumably it is perfectly acceptable for education to be granted on the basis of wealth, but not merit.
How anyone can even tolerate the existence of privately funded schools without fighting tooth and nail for the retention and extension of the grammar school system is beyond me. Presumably it is perfectly acceptable for education to be granted on the basis of wealth, but not merit.
I can't believe it. Someone has completely summarised what I was about to say!
-x-Nina-x-
Oh dear I'm going to have to reply to your nonsense speculation one more time!
Thanks for the apology retracting your comment that I am an ambulance chaser by the way!
No, I did not need to appeal / complain (call it what you will I prefer appeal you prefer complain) to get into Cambridge and if I did so what!
It is just your sort of condescending attitude that gives some Oxbridge students a bad name. Yes I know someone who appealed and was subsequently offered a place and yes it does happen so get over it!
I hope if you ever come across someone who got into Cambridge in this way that you would not be dismissive however it they have read your comments on this thread I doubt they would want to socialise with you and give you the opportunity to look down your nose at them.
I repeat this thread was all about drawing attention to the fact that a procedure exists for those who were not happy with their application process. It has nothing to do with private education and as I have not mentioned the reason for the successful appeal of which I am aware of it does not invite judgement as to whether people "deserve" to get in after an appeal.
Try to chill..................................
Oh dear I'm going to have to reply to your nonsense speculation one more time!
Thanks for the apology retracting your comment that I am an ambulance chaser by the way!
No, I did not need to appeal / complain (call it what you will I prefer appeal you prefer complain) to get into Cambridge and if I did so what!
It is just your sort of condescending attitude that gives some Oxbridge students a bad name. Yes I know someone who appealed and was subsequently offered a place and yes it does happen so get over it!
I hope if you ever come across someone who got into Cambridge in this way that you would not be dismissive however it they have read your comments on this thread I doubt they would want to socialise with you and give you the opportunity to look down your nose at them.
I repeat this thread was all about drawing attention to the fact that a procedure exists for those who were not happy with their application process. It has nothing to do with private education and as I have not mentioned the reason for the successful appeal of which I am aware of it does not invite judgement as to whether people "deserve" to get in after an appeal.
Try to chill..................................
xxsarahjwxx
I think unless u r severely disadvantaged in ur interview (family death the day before etc) then there is no point in complaining. Just move on, accept it and look forward to wherever ur gonna go instead. Its there for the extreme cases, not the petty ones so dont abuse it.
I think unless u r severely disadvantaged in ur interview (family death the day before etc) then there is no point in complaining. Just move on, accept it and look forward to wherever ur gonna go instead. Its there for the extreme cases, not the petty ones so dont abuse it.
Exactly. I think the cases Nina and other people had objections to (and quite rightly) were those in which somebody would appeal because their interviewer turned up a bit late or something. Nobody is denying that there are cases in which an appeal might be acceptable, but dogbiscuit seems to be encouraging anyone and everyone to use it, which is obviously ridiculous.
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