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My personal OASC failure
Hi guys i have just come back from OASC and have failed and been found permanently unfit for officer selection however i would like to explain to other potential candidates how to avoid this.
I passed the aptitude for my chosen branches: 1 - ATC and 2 - Admin in addition i was found to be healthy condition. My main downfall in the interview section was as follows:
1 - Motivation - When asked about why i wanted to join the RAF I was hesitant, ensure that you have a textbook answer and make sure that your answer relates to the RAF specifically also emphasise your point here with your hands.
2 - Willingness to carry out orders - when asked about whether I would carry out an order to bomb a target I said of course i would have to learn trust from senior commanders however if i had reasonable doubt about a given situation then I would refuse to carry out an order. The RAF require people who will carry out orders in sunshine or in rain, sadly I will nolonger be a potential candidate for officer, however I can fully understand their reasons and now realise that there must be no doubt in their mind when orders are to be carried out.
Sadly I will nolonger be a part of the RAF family and I really mean that, I was 100% commited to joining and not a day went by without me learning or training some part of it, in essence it become a part of me. I fully recommend any school leavers or able young men and women to consider the RAF as worthy and worthwhile career to join.
Its been a great laugh on these forums and i have enjoyed and learnt a lot from members and hopefully they have learnt a little something from me too. I hope that other potential candidates find something in this post that will help them gain a place at cranwell one day.
Best wishes for the future all,
Stellafella.
I passed the aptitude for my chosen branches: 1 - ATC and 2 - Admin in addition i was found to be healthy condition. My main downfall in the interview section was as follows:
1 - Motivation - When asked about why i wanted to join the RAF I was hesitant, ensure that you have a textbook answer and make sure that your answer relates to the RAF specifically also emphasise your point here with your hands.
2 - Willingness to carry out orders - when asked about whether I would carry out an order to bomb a target I said of course i would have to learn trust from senior commanders however if i had reasonable doubt about a given situation then I would refuse to carry out an order. The RAF require people who will carry out orders in sunshine or in rain, sadly I will nolonger be a potential candidate for officer, however I can fully understand their reasons and now realise that there must be no doubt in their mind when orders are to be carried out.
Sadly I will nolonger be a part of the RAF family and I really mean that, I was 100% commited to joining and not a day went by without me learning or training some part of it, in essence it become a part of me. I fully recommend any school leavers or able young men and women to consider the RAF as worthy and worthwhile career to join.
Its been a great laugh on these forums and i have enjoyed and learnt a lot from members and hopefully they have learnt a little something from me too. I hope that other potential candidates find something in this post that will help them gain a place at cranwell one day.
Best wishes for the future all,
Stellafella.
Tough break Stellafella,
It's very impressive that you stand so firmly by your principles and that's something that I don't doubt will hold you in very good stead for whichever career you decide to embark on.
Although I'm not the most regular of contributors to this site, the advice you have given is sage and well balanced and I'm sure all the potential RAF candidates thank you for it.
Good luck with your future.
Sophie
It's very impressive that you stand so firmly by your principles and that's something that I don't doubt will hold you in very good stead for whichever career you decide to embark on.
Although I'm not the most regular of contributors to this site, the advice you have given is sage and well balanced and I'm sure all the potential RAF candidates thank you for it.
Good luck with your future.
Sophie
st3llafella
2 - Willingness to carry out orders - when asked about whether I would carry out an order to bomb a target I said of course i would have to learn trust from senior commanders however if i had reasonable doubt about a given situation then I would refuse to carry out an order. The RAF require people who will carry out orders in sunshine or in rain, sadly I will nolonger be a potential candidate for officer, however I can fully understand their reasons and now realise that there must be no doubt in their mind when orders are to be carried out.
2 - Willingness to carry out orders - when asked about whether I would carry out an order to bomb a target I said of course i would have to learn trust from senior commanders however if i had reasonable doubt about a given situation then I would refuse to carry out an order. The RAF require people who will carry out orders in sunshine or in rain, sadly I will nolonger be a potential candidate for officer, however I can fully understand their reasons and now realise that there must be no doubt in their mind when orders are to be carried out.
The answer generally to that is, that you will have superiors who have decided after reviewing facts and information what decision to take. These superiors will have a far wider range of information and experience available than you, and you trust their judgment. Refusing to obey a direct order is a serious no no and can carry with it serious consequences. The RAF don't want mindless drones, but nor do they want someone who will refuse to do their job.
Stella,
Well done for posting mate. Through our limited contact you do seem like a good bloke and you have obviously taken some positives out of the experience.
I'll be replying to your PM shortly and hope you do check in with us on the forum in the future. Good luck.
Well done for posting mate. Through our limited contact you do seem like a good bloke and you have obviously taken some positives out of the experience.
I'll be replying to your PM shortly and hope you do check in with us on the forum in the future. Good luck.
StellaFella,
I can't imagine how you must be feeling on hearing that news - probably v.gutted, really soory to hear that.
I have OASC in 13 weeks and 4 days (to be precise!), so the tips you provided i'll take on board - thank you!!
All the best, good luck etc
Keep on
I can't imagine how you must be feeling on hearing that news - probably v.gutted, really soory to hear that.
I have OASC in 13 weeks and 4 days (to be precise!), so the tips you provided i'll take on board - thank you!!
All the best, good luck etc
Keep on
I'm sorry to hear that. When I did RCB as a snotty 18 year old I had a similar question, debated the point and conceded that if I had to I would.
One should have the courage of their convictions - you obviously do which will stand you in good stead for the future. Have you considered joining the Army or the Navy - they have very similar jobs to the RAF? ATC isn't an Army trade, but admin certainly is - can't speak re the Navy. I must admit though, I have never been that impressed with RAF officers, both from my proir service and 20 years as a RAF forces kid. Always more interested in themselves before their chaps. Pilots and Regiment were a good lot though - pilots when you could get them off the topic of themself and the regiment as they havea similar ethos to the Army.
TS
One should have the courage of their convictions - you obviously do which will stand you in good stead for the future. Have you considered joining the Army or the Navy - they have very similar jobs to the RAF? ATC isn't an Army trade, but admin certainly is - can't speak re the Navy. I must admit though, I have never been that impressed with RAF officers, both from my proir service and 20 years as a RAF forces kid. Always more interested in themselves before their chaps. Pilots and Regiment were a good lot though - pilots when you could get them off the topic of themself and the regiment as they havea similar ethos to the Army.
TS
St3llafella,
This following is true: If you have not been found permanently mdically unfit for Service, then the decision you have been given at the moment is not necessarily the end. There are plenty of serving officers who did not pass first time and were told that they were unsuitable, full stop! I went through IOT with a guy who was on his fourth attempt, 2 of which he was found permanently unsuitable. Chin up fella and have another crack in due course. I agree with the earlier post that you are a decent bloke: don't take the current situation as gospel. Next time, tell them you'd reached your conclusions through lack of maturity and experience and that you've realised that your answers were misplaced. Best of luck for the next attempt.
This following is true: If you have not been found permanently mdically unfit for Service, then the decision you have been given at the moment is not necessarily the end. There are plenty of serving officers who did not pass first time and were told that they were unsuitable, full stop! I went through IOT with a guy who was on his fourth attempt, 2 of which he was found permanently unsuitable. Chin up fella and have another crack in due course. I agree with the earlier post that you are a decent bloke: don't take the current situation as gospel. Next time, tell them you'd reached your conclusions through lack of maturity and experience and that you've realised that your answers were misplaced. Best of luck for the next attempt.
First and foremost id like to thank all who have posted on here, it has given me the guts to go back to afco and demand another shot.
The AFCO have asked me to go back down as it seems i didnt do that badly the cpl said he'd have my guts if i didnt give it another stab so maybe im not that bad after all. To be perfectly honest i was totally gutted coming back from cranwell and was really ready to jack the lot in when i was hoping that I would come back from cranwell with the satisfaction of a job well done. In my opinion it was a job well done but obviously not enough for those guys. I had taken a long time to think of an answer that i thought acceptable enough for them and also that I could live with myself after if i was in that position. I would probably word my answer differently next time and would give a different example however in my mind i was thinking of checkpoint charlie when a judge said a guard on the wall was personally responsible for his actions resulting in the death of civilians not the senior officer who told him to. I can understand why they didnt put me forward as political interference shouldnt be in my mind, i am first and foremost a soldier and should follow orders which i now accept, without hesitation. As an officer though i thought that they were supposed to be in the position to give orders not follow and this basically sums the above up.
Cheers again for the comments & id like to think that i am still a genuine person who thinks things well through before acting. Il probably post again oneday if i get through my debrief ok.
cheers all,
st3llafella
The AFCO have asked me to go back down as it seems i didnt do that badly the cpl said he'd have my guts if i didnt give it another stab so maybe im not that bad after all. To be perfectly honest i was totally gutted coming back from cranwell and was really ready to jack the lot in when i was hoping that I would come back from cranwell with the satisfaction of a job well done. In my opinion it was a job well done but obviously not enough for those guys. I had taken a long time to think of an answer that i thought acceptable enough for them and also that I could live with myself after if i was in that position. I would probably word my answer differently next time and would give a different example however in my mind i was thinking of checkpoint charlie when a judge said a guard on the wall was personally responsible for his actions resulting in the death of civilians not the senior officer who told him to. I can understand why they didnt put me forward as political interference shouldnt be in my mind, i am first and foremost a soldier and should follow orders which i now accept, without hesitation. As an officer though i thought that they were supposed to be in the position to give orders not follow and this basically sums the above up.
Cheers again for the comments & id like to think that i am still a genuine person who thinks things well through before acting. Il probably post again oneday if i get through my debrief ok.
cheers all,
st3llafella
You can only do what feels right to you. I'd hope the RAF looked for those who can consider the consequences of their actions to be officers. So long as you are comfortable with who you are and what you believe, then that will get you through life with success. Say what you honestly believe.
Best of luck. You've got some hardcore thinking to do and I don't envy you that.
Sophie
Best of luck. You've got some hardcore thinking to do and I don't envy you that.
Sophie
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