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It isn't political correctness, it's the law - he was appealing to EU courts, so the law says he was able to stay while that process was followed.

Oh, it's impossible to judge what the home secretary is up to with the secret intelligence services, they're very secretive - that's the point. They could've foiled many plots in secret and you'd never hear about it, again, that's the point of the "secret services"
Send him on a plane and take the consequences a threat to the general public- and it is not secret researchers Intel officers in the Police would be privy to that Info - they had advanced knowlegde i can;'t reveal my source as someone will get sacked.
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Didn't mean to rep. From what ive seen its the opposite. People demonise scottish nationalisam while simultaneously idolising british nationalism
Just because Scottish nationalism so fundamentally disagrees with British nationalism tbf
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Send him on a plane and take the consequences a threat to the general public- and it is not secret researchers Intel officers in the Police would be privy to that Info - they had advanced knowlegde i can;'t reveal my source as someone will get sacked.
You really don't seem to be getting this:

The GOVERNMENT could not break THE LAW that they AGREED TO.

Therefore they COULD NOT deport him as QUICKLY as they would have liked.

Wtf has this got to do with Scottish or Irish Nationalists anyway?
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You misintepreted what i said - the labour party under a decent leader would destroy Cameron on his false promises which exceed 100. If they was to elect Corbyn who I agree with we would be in a bad position because not everyone lives in a deprived area like me. Under those cirumstances if on the English ballet I would vote for the Irish terrorists- the beer price may go down or the Scot Nats who would have to change their name- i think if they was to diversify they would be on to something and would get atleast 13-14 million votes
How would a widely unpopular platform lead to a significantly increased vote share?

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Yes they could of there would have been nobody stopping us from sticking him on a plane and deporting him- then get fined , a threat to public. It is to do with the Irish nationalists because that tory **** was slating how the Irish nationalists are linked to IRA- when the tories harbor Terrorists thats why they allowed ISIS back in to carry out their operation as an excuse to take us to war.
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You really don't seem to be getting this:

The GOVERNMENT could not break THE LAW that they AGREED TO.

Therefore they COULD NOT deport him as QUICKLY as they would have liked.

Wtf has this got to do with Scottish or Irish Nationalists anyway?
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How would a widely unpopular platform lead to a significantly increased vote share?

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How would a widely unpopular platform lead to a significantly increased vote share?

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Widely unpopular where the south and london? I know lots of people in the midlands who agree with what the SNP are saying with austerity. And if you are taliking about the IRA party they would take extremists off UKIP who pretend to represent the standard man when they are extremeist tories - It would cut that in half i know chavs who voted for UKIP based on them being anti- immigration not realising how right wing they are- so this would take at least 1.5 Million off them then you have the 10,000,000 who voted labour that is equal to 11 million+ add the greens 12million diversify and get the scots involved that would be around 13.5 million votes. Cameron postal voted himself back in.
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Yes they could of there would have been nobody stopping us from sticking him on a plane and deporting him- then get fined , a threat to public. It is to do with the Irish nationalists because that tory **** was slating how the Irish nationalists are linked to IRA- when the tories harbor Terrorists thats why they allowed ISIS back in to carry out their operation as an excuse to take us to war.
The EU Court of Human Rights was stopping us from "sticking him in on a plane." Because, and I really can't stress this enough, THE LAW SAYS SO

And are you accusing the Conservatives of allowing a terrorist plot now? What terror plot have ISIS done on UK shores? I really don't understand the 2nd part of your post, please try some paragraphing.
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The EU Court of Human Rights was stopping us from "sticking him in on a plane." Because, and I really can't stress this enough, THE LAW SAYS SO

And are you accusing the Conservatives of allowing a terrorist plot now? What terror plot have ISIS done on UK shores? I really don't understand the 2nd part of your post, please try some paragraphing.
Yes because they have had intelligence that this was going to happen for months-which is the reason we are on high alert - my thought is they are going to let an attack happen soon - so they have a reason to go to war. Also break the law who gives a flying **** if the EU are unhappy with us- well they are anyway thanks to Mr Farage
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Widely unpopular where the south and london? I know lots of people in the midlands who agree with what the SNP are saying with austerity. And if you are taliking about the IRA party they would take extremists off UKIP who pretend to represent the standard man when they are extremeist tories - It would cut that in half i know chavs who voted for UKIP based on them being anti- immigration not realising how right wing they are- so this would take at least 1.5 Million off them then you have the 10,000,000 who voted labour that is equal to 11 million+ add the greens 12million diversify and get the scots involved that would be around 13.5 million votes. Cameron postal voted himself back in.
So this platform is based entirely on everyone who voted for everyone else switching their votes to Labour and Labour maintaining all of their votes from the previous election.

What about people who think Labour has moved too far lift and shift the other way? What if all these voters who are jumping ship go for the Lib Dems?

You can't just assume everyone who voted for the other parties are left wing voters who thought Labour didn't go far enough.
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So this platform is based entirely on everyone who voted for everyone else switching their votes to Labour and Labour maintaining all of their votes from the previous election.

What about people who think Labour has moved too far lift and shift the other way? What if all these voters who are jumping ship go for the Lib Dems?

You can't just assume everyone who voted for the other parties are left wing voters who thought Labour didn't go far enough.
That doesn't matter aslong as we have enough for a coalition they are yes men and would accept the deal. If Labour go any further right there is no point in being in opposition . As i said before there has been speculation that the postal votes which was stolen in Hastings and Eastbourne won the election where 200,000 blank papers went missing - some got their vote and it had no designated constit so could be used to top up conservative votes in other areas to get them their majority
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Yes because they have had intelligence that this was going to happen for months-which is the reason we are on high alert - my thought is they are going to let an attack happen soon - so they have a reason to go to war. Also break the law who gives a flying **** if the EU are unhappy with us- well they are anyway thanks to Mr Farage
Right, so on the one hand you are saying that the UK government should have broken international laws just to remove a (admittedly radical) preacher.

Then on the other hand, you are saying they won't break international agreements not to invade Iraq/Syria, and would rather willingly allow a terrorist organisation to attack, just to get involved in a war that would be almost universally unpopular.

Which do you prefer? Because those arguments really conflict with each other.

Oh and FYI, the EU probably isn't that worried about Eurosceptics, they've been around since it was founded, and they probably will be for a long time.
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Right, so on the one hand you are saying that the UK government should have broken international laws just to remove a (admittedly radical) preacher.

Then on the other hand, you are saying they won't break international agreements not to invade Iraq/Syria, and would rather willingly allow a terrorist organisation to attack, just to get involved in a war that would be almost universally unpopular.

Which do you prefer? Because those arguments really conflict with each other.

Oh and FYI, the EU probably isn't that worried about Eurosceptics, they've been around since it was founded, and they probably will be for a long time.
Yes Thats what im saying

Did i say that?

In government there is something called false flag operations thats why they lest something happen to get the public on board and support a war , now it would not surprise me if they let an attack happen to gain public support to have a war with ISIS. Thats so people no longer care about the wewll being of our personal
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That doesn't matter aslong as we have enough for a coalition they are yes men and would accept the deal. If Labour go any further right there is no point in being in opposition . As i said before there has been speculation that the postal votes which was stolen in Hastings and Eastbourne won the election where 200,000 blank papers went missing - some got their vote and it had no designated constit so could be used to top up conservative votes in other areas to get them their majority
"No designated constit?"

You vote for a name on the ballot paper, not a party - I don't know where that source has come from but it's probably wrong.

And 200,000 ballot papers going missing would probably get reported by mainstream media around election time.


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Yes Thats what im saying

Did i say that?

In government there is something called false flag operations thats why they lest something happen to get the public on board and support a war , now it would not surprise me if they let an attack happen to gain public support to have a war with ISIS. Thats so people no longer care about the wewll being of our personal
Yes, but they'd have to get international agreements for the invasion.

They couldn't just wander in because try felt like it.

So you're saying the UK should ignore some international agreements (EU Human Rights Act) while also accusing them of allowing a terrorist attack on UK soil so they could (inevitably) get an international agreement to start a ground war in Iraq/Syria

See the problem now?

EDIT: In case I'm not clear, the problem is you're saying the govt. should ignore international law, while accusing them of trying to get national unity and (probably) some international agreement to start a war in the Middle East


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They both stand up to imperialism that you english impose on everyone. Why do english people always fall for propaganda demonizing sturgeon and adams. I will always vote labour as I live in england but these two parties have more integrity than any english politicians that is a fact. They are tolerant and welcome migrants unlike the evil tories bending to the rhetoric of UKIP picking on migrants.

I wish they were running in all of the UK to show england what it's like to be occupied by a foreign power. In my view the only way for labour to go is corbyn who has proven himself to not be racist and demonize these brave parties and their leaders.

So my question is what valid reasons do people in england have to be scared of these two parties? Can they not look past the rhetoric and think for themselves?
who is you English you talk of the average man like myself?
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Because they don't understand politics.
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What can they do with 50 seats.
The amp have a majority at Holyrood. All of then main issues are devolved issues.

It pains me when I hear the SNP claiming that they can't do anything about the NHS when they control NHS Scotland.
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Widely unpopular where the south and london? I know lots of people in the midlands who agree with what the SNP are saying with austerity. And if you are taliking about the IRA party they would take extremists off UKIP who pretend to represent the standard man when they are extremeist tories - It would cut that in half i know chavs who voted for UKIP based on them being anti- immigration not realising how right wing they are- so this would take at least 1.5 Million off them then you have the 10,000,000 who voted labour that is equal to 11 million+ add the greens 12million diversify and get the scots involved that would be around 13.5 million votes. Cameron postal voted himself back in.
SSSI you seriously believe that the centrist floating voters would stick with a lacks that returned to the 80s, voters that rejected foot and are unlikely to want to even go that far now, let alone further? I also expect that no more than half the Greens would shift either.

You base this statement on the basis that everybody but the Tories would flock to labour and nobody editor leave, a very misguided assumption to say the least.

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"No designated constit?"

You vote for a name on the ballot paper, not a party - I don't know where that source has come from but it's probably wrong.

And 200,000 ballot papers going missing would probably get reported by mainstream media around election time.


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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10213657.html
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/election-20...stolen-1498991
they used it to top up conservative votes in marginals they was losing- or supposedly losing

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-angry-5703584

Ill throw that in for a bit of bonus electoral fraud - but if you don't like the fact that its came from the left wing mirror here is another source
http://metro.co.uk/2015/05/17/social...tions-5200636/
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SSSI you seriously believe that the centrist floating voters would stick with a lacks that returned to the 80s, voters that rejected foot and are unlikely to want to even go that far now, let alone further? I also expect that no more than half the Greens would shift either.

You base this statement on the basis that everybody but the Tories would flock to labour and nobody editor leave, a very misguided assumption to say the least.

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Honestly ? Do you really think that many people read into it. There is ways this movement can target the middle as well
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