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Sinn Fein = terrorist organisation

SNP = left-wing nationalists, i don't agree with them but I respect their right to exist.
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(Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
Maybe some people in England but even I think it's quite rare.

Up here in Scotland you can get battered by some moron for just having a random Union Flag on your t-shirt.
:rolleyes: Yeah im sure that happens every day. Despite the fact half of Glasgow take pride in waving union flags
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:rolleyes: Yeah im sure that happens every day. Despite the fact half of Glasgow take pride in waving union flags
Well actually you'll find that Glasgow was one of the only places that voting majority YES.

It happened to my friend in Glasgow who had a Who t-shirt which had a UJ on it.
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because the SNP moan moan moan and cant get over the fact that most scotts want to remain in the UK
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(Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
Well actually you'll find that Glasgow was one of the only places that voting majority YES.

It happened to my friend in Glasgow who had a Who t-shirt which had a UJ on it.
Irrelevant.


Now we all know correlation does not necessarily mean causation however, somebody may well have battered your friend for that idiotic reason but anecdotal evidence such as that doesn't mean it's a common occurrence, especially considering the amount of unions jacks you will still see around Scotland.
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(Original post by Zander01)
Irrelevant.


Now we all know correlation does not necessarily mean causation however, somebody may well have battered your friend for that idiotic reason but anecdotal evidence such as that doesn't mean it's a common occurrence, especially considering the amount of unions jacks you will still see around Scotland.
SNPs are anti-Scottish idiots. Most of them are either deluded socialists, anti-English or IRA lovers. Any real patriotic Scot should be sick to the stomach with the sight of these degenerates.
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(Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
SNPs are anti-Scottish idiots. Most of them are either deluded socialists, anti-English or IRA lovers. Any real patriotic Scot should be sick to the stomach with the sight of these degenerates.
Are you drunk or do you purposefully go on incoherent rants like this?
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(Original post by Zander01)
Are you drunk or do you purposefully go on incoherent rants like this?
Had one beer mate. A half-decent IPA.

My post was entirely coherent. I just don't like fake Scots like you who want to ruin Scotland and make it a socialist colony of the EU.
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(Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
Had one beer mate. A half-decent IPA.

My post was entirely coherent. I just don't like fake Scots like you who want to ruin Scotland and make it a socialist colony of the EU.
Not really, seeing as each consequent reply is completely unrelated to the one beforehand.

Oh and please do educate me on what exactly a "real Scot" is, go on...
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(Original post by Zander01)
Not really, seeing as each consequent reply is completely unrelated to the one beforehand.

Oh and please do educate me on what exactly a "real Scot" is, go on...
You aren't actually making any points at all though.

Someone who wants what is best for their country (i.e. not socialism), someone who doesn't betray their ancestors, someone who doesn't want their country to become even more controlled by the EU, someone who actually knows Scottish history as it is rather than the nonsense that they think is true and so on.

Natters fail on pretty much every aspect of that.
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(Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
You aren't actually making any points at all though.

Someone who wants what is best for their country (i.e. not socialism), someone who doesn't betray their ancestors, someone who doesn't want their country to become even more controlled by the EU, someone who actually knows Scottish history as it is rather than the nonsense that they think is true and so on.

Natters fail on pretty much every aspect of that.
My point was that the liklihood of getting attacked for displaying a union jack is very low. It's amusing you perpetuate the idea of it being dangerous while being a Rangers fan. If your pal is anything like you and berates yes voters then no wonder he got the **** kicked out of him :lol: and probably little to do with the union jack flag.

Im getting into an argument about what's best for Scotland. Im guessing you think it's a Conservative government so it's pretty clear you're wrong already. Unless you think that Scotland being dictated by a government it most definitely did not want, is your idea of "best".

Tell me what ancestors are you referring to? The Celts and the Picts?

How does wanting to be in the EU define a true Scot?


So what we have established is that in order to be a true Scot you should disregard any notion of self-autonomy, you should act on how your perceived ancestors would like you to and you should be against the EU (which most people in Scotland aren't). Hmm interesting...
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(Original post by Zander01)
My point was that the liklihood of getting attacked for displaying a union jack is very low.
Ok. Doesn't mean it didn't happen because it did.

(Original post by Zander01)
It's amusing you perpetuate the idea of it being dangerous while being a Rangers fan.
When is this nonsense? It is dangerous to be a Rangers fan in Scotland because the SNP want to lock people up for speech and for standing up to terrorism.

(Original post by Zander01)
If your pal is anything like you and berates yes voters then no wonder he got the **** kicked out of him :lol: and probably little to do with the union jack flag.
He's actually a very nice guy. Pretty left-wing too which is one of his few failures. I'm not "berating" you or at least not more than the Nationalists do all the time. If you can't take it, I suggest you grow a sack.

(Original post by Zander01)
Im getting into an argument about what's best for Scotland. Im guessing you think it's a Conservative government so it's pretty clear you're wrong already. Unless you think that Scotland being dictated by a government it most definitely did not want, is your idea of "best".
No, a Conservative government would be a better than a SNP or Labour one but it still wouldn't be great. I would actually support Scottish independence with a heavy heart for tactical reasons if I thought Scotland would go in the right direction say more like Switzerland. But the problem is that Scotland is full of socialists and we'd be more like Greece or Zimbabwe.

Plus that is an argument ad populum which is a logical fallacy. It also isn't the only time you use that fallacy in your post either.

(Original post by Zander01)
Tell me what ancestors are you referring to? The Celts and the Picts?
Way more recent than that. I was thinking more of the Scots of the 18th, 19th, and pre-WW2 generations. It's quite the betrayal of the Scots who died in WW2 like my namesake for Scotland to vote for a party who wanted to collaborate with the Nazis.

(Original post by Zander01)
How does wanting to be in the EU define a true Scot?
Because no real patriot would want his country ruled over by a bureaucratic, anti-national entity like the EU to eventually become part of a federal Europe.

(Original post by Zander01)
So what we have established is that in order to be a true Scot you should disregard any notion of self-autonomy, you should act on how your perceived ancestors would like you to and you should be against the EU (which most people in Scotland aren't). Hmm interesting...
Argument ad populum again. You should scrub up on your debating skills.
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(Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
Ok. Doesn't mean it didn't happen because it did.


When is this nonsense? It is dangerous to be a Rangers fan in Scotland because the SNP want to lock people up for speech and for standing up to terrorism.


He's actually a very nice guy. Pretty left-wing too which is one of his few failures. I'm not "berating" you or at least not more than the Nationalists do all the time. If you can't take it, I suggest you grow a sack.


No, a Conservative government would be a better than a SNP or Labour one but it still wouldn't be great. I would actually support Scottish independence with a heavy heart for tactical reasons if I thought Scotland would go in the right direction say more like Switzerland. But the problem is that Scotland is full of socialists and we'd be more like Greece or Zimbabwe.

Plus that is an argument ad populum which is a logical fallacy. It also isn't the only time you use that fallacy in your post either.


Way more recent than that. I was thinking more of the Scots of the 18th, 19th, and pre-WW2 generations. It's quite the betrayal of the Scots who died in WW2 like my namesake for Scotland to vote for a party who wanted to collaborate with the Nazis.


Because no real patriot would want his country ruled over by a bureaucratic, anti-national entity like the EU to eventually become part of a federal Europe.


Argument ad populum again. You should scrub up on your debating skills.

I wrote out a reply but technological failure led to it disappearing so I'll reply tomorrow.

What I will say just now though is that when you're discussing the best interests of a nation and its people, then you kind of have to take into account the general consensus... so yes my argument ad populum would appear to be valid in this case. What you have just committed there is the Fallacy fallacy just fyi.

Now I don't know if you've been trolling me or somehow un-ironically demonstrating the no true Scotsman fallacy repeatedly but either way that must be embarrassing.
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(Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
It happened to my friend in Glasgow who had a Who t-shirt which had a UJ on it.
If I walked down Buchanan Street on an average day, I could certainly spot several people with Union Jack designs on their clothing, bags and so on. While there are some pubs in the east end especially where it might not be welcome, the Union Jack is almost constantly present around the UK in one form or another. However there are very few if any exclusively Protestant or Catholic areas in Glasgow - even in most of the dodgier parts, you'll see Celtic supporters clubs and Orange halls on the same street.
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So what we have established is that in order to be a true Scot you should disregard any notion of self-autonomy
I should point out that nationalism is an ideology that expressly conflicts with notions of self-autonomy or liberalism: it is a necessarily collectivist political stance. When a lot of nationalists talk about 'self-' what they're actually doing is engaging in a very odd form of anthropomorphism: their "nation" not only becomes imbued with human characteristics, but it becomes the only entity whose views matter.

Strangely enough, the political views of this entirely non-sentient made-up entity always seem to be remarkably similar to the individual nationalist who is interpreting them.
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They both stand up to imperialism that you english impose on everyone.
It's pretty insulting to put the SNP on the same level as Sinn Fein. I don't agree with the SNP, but they are not violent thugs and former terrorists.

It's worth remembering that the IRA wanted to impose a united Ireland on the north no matter the views of the population of Northern Ireland. They also killed many innocent people in their campaign, and in the end they put down their guns and came to the negotiating table to accept the same deal that the Brits had always put on the table.

That means many people died completely unneccessarily. It's also worth remembering that in most of the Troubles, the IRA was not supported by the nationalist community, they tended to support the non-violent SDLP
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It's pretty insulting to put the SNP on the same level as Sinn Fein. I don't agree with the SNP, but they are not violent thugs and former terrorists.

It's worth remembering that the IRA wanted to impose a united Ireland on the north no matter the views of the population of Northern Ireland. They also killed many innocent people in their campaign, and in the end they put down their guns and came to the negotiating table to accept the same deal that the Brits had always put on the table.

That means many people died completely unneccessarily. It's also worth remembering that in most of the Troubles, the IRA was not supported by the nationalist community, they tended to support the non-violent SDLP
That's in no way what the north thought , the British army also killed many innocent members of the public at various times , don't agree with everything that was done or the morals but I'm from a town where many young teenagers were shot dead by the sas and a town nearly destroyed by this , people move on and here we have things get better but people only ever remember one side of a story


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It's pretty insulting to put the SNP on the same level as Sinn Fein. I don't agree with the SNP, but they are not violent thugs and former terrorists.
Yes, the SNP are violent thugs, this was actively encouraged when Alex Salmond, the racist bigot, was in charge, but is not as encouraged by Nicola Sturgeon.

Lets remember also the actions of the "cybernats" making fun of the death of Charles Kennedy.

The SNP are not good for Scotland and certainly not good for England and any English person who supports ought to be ashamed of themselves.
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Yes, the SNP are violent thugs, this was actively encouraged when Alex Salmond, the racist bigot, was in charge, but is not as encouraged by Nicola Sturgeon.

Lets remember also the actions of the "cybernats" making fun of the death of Charles Kennedy.

The SNP are not good for Scotland and certainly not good for England and any English person who supports ought to be ashamed of themselves.
While it is true that some of the members are rather vile, thus far none of them have engaged in terrorist acts, nor have any of their MPs, in any of the three legislatures they sit in, nor any of their councilors, Sinn Fein on the other hand...
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Anybody commenting in this actually from Northern Ireland and know what goes on lol ?


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