Why do universities allow evil Communist societies yet not Nazi societies?

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Obviously I don't advocate Nazi ideology, but why do so many young white middle-class university students seem to set up Communist societies at University?

As many as 70 million people died because of Communist regimes; Communism does not work. It's a pipe job.

It's time universities condemn Communism as they do Nazism.
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Because anything to the right of Cameron is "fascist" and evil while there is no such thing as too far to the left. Duh.
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Because you, like just about everyone on the right has failed to make the distinction between the ideology of communism and brutal dictators using it as an excuse.

There is nothing in the communist ideology about murder - there is nothing discriminatory in the ideology. At the heart of it is that we are all equal- you may disagree with that but unlike the Nazi ideology it. Does not advocate genocide or mass murder.
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Because you, like just about everyone on the right has failed to make the distinction between the ideology of communism and brutal dictators using it as an excuse.

There is nothing in the communist ideology about murder - there is nothing discriminatory in the ideology. At the heart of it is that we are all equal- you may disagree with that but unlike the Nazi ideology it. Does not advocate genocide or mass murder.
Violent revolution doesn't involve mass murder?
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Not gonna lie, fascism>communism.

F*ck Marxism.
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Violent revolution doesn't involve mass murder?
Mass murder is always OK if it is for the regime. It's not mass murder then. It's collateral damage and using the punitive system for dangerous state enemies.


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It's not the idea of communism that killed all those people , it was misuse of it that did


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It's not the idea of communism that killed all those people , it was misuse of it that did


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No, it was the ideas. Communism advocates taking away people's freedoms and liberties via violent revolution.
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How many is "so many"? I think our Come Dine With Me society has more members.
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The figures for the number of deaths under socialist states are greatly exaggerated by those whose interests are put in peril by any organisation of workers against capitalism, and to blame what deaths did occur on an ideology or singular leaders is revisionist and insane. Natural disasters (Great Leap Forward) and historical factors (two world wars and a civil war in Russia, none of which affected the US) are all potential reasons for deaths, along with some poor decisions by some leaders, which hardly has anything to do with communism.

Regardless, the number of deaths under socialism pale in comparison to the number of deaths that can be directly or indirectly attributed to capitalism. I wouldn't be so reductionist as to say so, but if you're going to blame communism for deaths like that, you must do the same with capitalism, unless you're intellectually dishonest (which I'm suuuure you're not).

Equating communism to fascism is bat**** insane whether you agree with it or not, and you'd be laughed at by anybody with an education in the subject.

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Because anything to the right of Cameron is "fascist" and evil
I don't know who you think believes such drivel (certainly no educated communist).
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The thing with deaths due to 'capitalist' policies is that they are described as 'natural'.
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The figures for the number of deaths under socialist states are greatly exaggerated by those whose interests are put in peril by any organisation of workers against capitalism, and to blame what deaths did occur on an ideology or singular leaders is revisionist and insane. Natural disasters (Great Leap Forward) and historical factors (two world wars and a civil war in Russia, none of which affected the US) are all potential reasons for deaths, along with some poor decisions by some leaders, which hardly has anything to do with communism.
The Great Leap Forward was a natural disaster? :confused:
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Nazism is a left-wing ideology. The clue is in the name.

The Nazi Party: The National Socialist German Workers Party.

It's yet another common narrative to demonise right-wing politics and make the population loathe itself.

(Original post by TheTelegraph)
On 16 June 1941, as Hitler readied his forces for Operation Barbarossa, Josef Goebbels looked forward to the new order that the Nazis would impose on a conquered Russia. There would be no come-back, he wrote, for capitalists nor priests nor Tsars.

Rather, in the place of debased, Jewish Bolshevism, the Wehrmacht would deliver “der echte Sozialismus”: real socialism.Goebbels never doubted that he was a socialist. He understood Nazism to be a better and more plausible form of socialism than that propagated by Lenin. Instead of spreading itself across different nations, it would operate within the unit of the Volk.

So total is the cultural victory of the modern Left that the merely to recount this fact is jarring. But few at the time would have found it especially contentious.

As George Watson put it in The Lost Literature of Socialism:

It is now clear beyond all reasonable doubt that Hitler and his associates believed they were socialists, and that others, including democratic socialists, thought so too.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/da...andescent-why/
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Because you, like just about everyone on the right has failed to make the distinction between the ideology of communism and brutal dictators using it as an excuse.

There is nothing in the communist ideology about murder - there is nothing discriminatory in the ideology. At the heart of it is that we are all equal- you may disagree with that but unlike the Nazi ideology it. Does not advocate genocide or mass murder.
Well in that case, Mussolini, Franco and Hitler are poor representatives of Nationalism.

It works both ways, and in both cases it is wrong.
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Well in that case, Mussolini, Franco and Hitler are poor representatives of Nationalism.

It works both ways, and in both cases it is wrong.
No it works when goyim are in charge of any nation. After the Holocaust they cannot be trusted with any ideology that does not involve diversity and tolerance, and they need supervision.

The Jews are only ones who have successfully run a homeland in recent history.


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No it works when goyim are in charge of any nation. After the Holocaust they cannot be trusted with any ideology that does not involve diversity and tolerance, and they need supervision.

The Jews are only ones who have successfully run a homeland in recent history.


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Don't worry. I was talking very high level. You would not understand.

What is important is that you understand that the Nazis are evil but we need certain aspects of communism like equality and Trotsky like anti-racism as society needs to be a manageable unit.


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The Great Leap Forward was a natural disaster? :confused:
The deaths as a result of the Great Leap Forward were caused predominantly by natural disasters and some poor decisions by Mao or the Communist Party (which Mao recognised and criticised). Of course, while calling Mao LITERALLY WORSE THAN HITLER, most critiques (from liberals) fail to mention the part where Chinese life expectancy was doubled and living standards increased, SAVING the lives of millions more.
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Don't worry. I was talking very high level. You would not understand.

What is important is that you understand that the Nazis are evil but we need certain aspects of communism like equality and Trotsky like anti-racism as society needs to be a manageable unit.


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We need the most important part of communism - the end of private property.
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(Original post by Drunken Bard)
Well in that case, Mussolini, Franco and Hitler are poor representatives of Nationalism.

It works both ways, and in both cases it is wrong.
Uh, they were all Fascists, which is not just "nationalism".
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