Toby Studabaker, did he do anything wrong?

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This case regarding the ex US marine and 12 year girl shevaun has been in the news a lot recently but i find some of the facts interesting. It seems that the girl told Studabaker that she was 19 (im not sure whether this is true but for the time being i will assume it is) and after looking at some of her recent photos she certainly looks a lot older than 12.

also she left her home willingly, met with Mr Studabaker and was allowed to call home and arrive back safely. when she called home she said "she was thinking of coming home" implying that the decision was hers.

now if studabaker knew all along that she was 12, he is guilty as sin and should be punished. but lets just say that shevaun told him she was 19, has he really done anything wrong? he is facing charges of abduction but its not like he kidnapped her or forced her to meet him and she was allowed to call home and arrived back safely. im interested to hear what you all think in general about whether we treat children as completely unable to make their own decisions when they meet with people in internet chatrooms.
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If they don't get him for the 12 year old they get him for the child porn found on his computer.
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ok i didnt know about that.

but in general, if a 12 year old voluntarily meets with someone after lying about their age, has the person they go to meet done anything wrong? or is a 12 year old completely incapable of making their own decisions and therefore the adult is to blame?
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As an aside:

Aren't you meant to have parental consent to leave the country if you're under the age of 16 ?

Should she not have been on her parents' passports ?
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Originally posted by a_musical_gal
If they don't get him for the 12 year old they get him for the child porn found on his computer.
Very true, its not as if its the first time he's been caught out under suspicion either.
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anyone who has child porn should be locked up in my view,
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Originally posted by Expression
As an aside:

Aren't you meant to have parental consent to leave the country if you're under the age of 16 ?
My friend (age 13) flew solo last month but that was because the airline knew her dad was in Germany waiting for her.

She could have lied and said someone was waiting for her.

Maybe the law has been changed. Under 16s and even babies have to have their own passport now.
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How can you actually trust someone who has child porn on his computer. Before I knew this, I thought that maybe the guy wasn't all at fault, but this changes everything .I'm glad that the girl was found, cos she could have been in danger. Still, she should not have lied about her age. She's only 12, and by saying that she's 19 she could get loads of perverts talking to her.
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Originally posted by tagzt
im interested to hear what you all think in general about whether we treat children as completely unable to make their own decisions when they meet with people in internet chatrooms.
Well to an extent, children are unable to make their own decisions and particularly big decisions like moving away without parental discussion and consent, under the age of 16 regardless of natural mental maturity.
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I agree with Xenon, as I didn't know about the whole child porn stuff, and thought it was pretty harmless, but any1 whose into child porn should definitely be locked up for a very long time, as that is seriously disturbing/sick.
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any normal person would have brought her straight back when they realised she was 12, instead of leading the police on a wild goose chase. To be he's so obviously dodgy
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Firstly I think that lying about your age and effectively leading anyone on (online or not) is a very poor reflection on the person (in this case the girl). Secondly, I think that Studabaker should have helped her to get home when he first met her (assuming that he did not belive that she was actually 19 of course). If for some reason Studabaker did belive that she was 19 then he would be guilty of being seriously naive. Lastly, I do not think that anyone should comment on the whole "child pornography on the computer" issue until we are actually told (by someone not in the media- i.e. a police representive) that this is true.
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That wild goose chase would be still on if it wasn't for the fact the police were tracking her mobile!

Everytime she put it on, the signal would set a computer alarm off!
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To be honest I'd throw them both in jail. Him for the child porn and her for being so stupid. When I was 12 it would never have occured to me to strike up a relationship with a 30something year old American widower, lie ( if this was the case ) about my age and then run off to France with him. I hope she realises what a fool she's been. She could have got herself killed, not to mention the agony her parents have been through. Apparantly the police and her parentshave always known about the child porn but kept it out of the media incase he panicked. Whatever happened to the days of playing with the kids down your street.
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You could always jump on the media bandwaggon and blame the "evils of the internet". This morning I heard one journo suggest a ban on all internet communications that are not related to business.

Are these people completely stupid???
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Although you have to wonder if the parents are to blame a weeny bit, apparently they said in an interview that their daughter had been spending 11 hours on the internet some days. Even if they wern't suspiciousabout what she was doing online, it's not healthy to spend that much time at a computer screen. By the way has anyone noticed whenever theres anything about the internet being "bad" for kids Carol Vordeman jumps on the band wagon and gets even more overexposed.
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Originally posted by emom100
Although you have to wonder if the parents are to blame a weeny bit, apparently they said in an interview that their daughter had been spending 11 hours on the internet some days. Even if they wern't suspiciousabout what she was doing online, it's not healthy to spend that much time at a computer screen.
Oh dear...that's me screwed then! :P

Ah well...I guess the positive is, I am so addicted to the net, I am not likely to run off to meet some guy from it because (apart from the fact that I am not a complete fool) I am too lazy, and would not want to leave my beloved computer and net for too long...
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I have to agree with emom100 on this.

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i have heard so much about children who give their details out over the internet and go to meet people they do not know. when i was 11/12 i knew that there were reasons not to give out details via the net and would never have considered doing so. does this make me incredibly mature or are there just some very very stupid kids out there?
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I think most parents would have the sense to educate their children about not giving out details etc...it kind of bridges off the 'don't talk to strangers' sorts of messages you're taught from infancy...and even if they don't for most I would say it was common sense!
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