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I'd agree with that.
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I'm not really replying to anyone in particular, but I wanted to state my opinion on the whole thing after reading a few of the posts. I've followed this whole ordeal since it began.

First, this girl went willingly to meet Toby Studabaker. Whether she knew he was 31 or not... Did she honestly think that a kid her age or even around her age would be able to travel internationally?? She lied to her parents and asked for her passport so that she could get a bus pass, and then went to meet this man at the airport where she then obviously willingly went on a plane with him to another country. She has stated more than once to her parents that she was fine and was not being kept against her will. He made sure she was safe, and returned her unharmed as the articles I have read have stated. Sounds to me like he did nothing harmful to her sexually or otherwise. Sounds like she went willingly and was decietful to many people in this ordeal including him, and her parents.

Now about her age discrepancy. IMO She told him that she was older. Once the man saw her however... there's a huge difference between a 12 year old girl and a 19 year old woman... HUGE... maybe she looked older in her pictures, but not possible to pull off a 7 year adolescent difference. To much goes on physically in those 7 years. So for once seeing this girl, and knowing that she's not 18/19 like she may have said before, and then traveling across country lines. That in itself is a crime and if nothing else he should be prosecuted for his poor judgement in those actions.

As for the child pornography... I dont believe it... I have not seen this reported in but a few articles that I have read. And it's also early in the game... He has not been charged with this, nor has there been any prosecution for it so i think this one we need to wait out until we have more of the truth in this accusation. His not harming the girl physically/sexually does not indicate that he is a child sexual predator.

I've also read a bit about his past. He sounds like an upstanding man. He attended a christian college, and stated he couldn't wait to get out of the army so that he could better serve God. He was honorably discharged from the army and has protected our country against terrorism since Sept. 11 His character is of high value and its unfortunate that something like this would have to taint the image of our country internationally. If any truth comes to the suspicions of sexual assult... kidnapping whatever, its unfortunate that it taints out country as a whole

Any who... those are just some of my opinions.
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Yeah, but people can hide their true ID, but I agree it is a problem

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Originally posted by Unregistered
He sounds like an upstanding man. He attended a christian college...so that he could better serve God.
Does being a christian make you a better person or less likely to commit crimes?
I don't know much about this case over the basics from the news...just curious as to whether you think being religious makes you more/less likely to commit crimes etc?
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Osama Bin Laded was a very religiou person, so what do you think?

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Will the actual truth ever come out. I mean there have been cases where innocent people have been sent to jail. I mean apart from the reported pornography, there isn't much else to go on the fact that he's a kind of man who would be a danger to the girl, is there? There might be. All I am saying is that what if at the end of this, it is mainly the girl's fault, after all she sounds like she knew exactly what she was doing. True, Studabaker should have brought her back as soon as he found out that she wasn't 29, but only a minor. In the end, whose side will the court take, one of a grown man, who should have known better, or a supposedly innocent girl (she might be innocent, but she sure did a lot of preparation including lying). I dunno now, especially if the allegations of pictures on his computer are not true.
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It is kinda worrying, that an innocent man might go to jail, for having been conned by a 12 year old girl, assuming the guy's innocent. the problem is that it's a lose-lose situation,as even if he's not guilty, he'll still have a reputation for the rest of his life.

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I AGREE THAT THERE WAS NO PAENT SUPERVISION WHAT SO EVER IN THIS CASE.I AS A MOTHER OF 6 NEVER ALLLOW MY CHILD ON LINE WITHOUT SUPERVISION!MY GIRLS KNOW WHAT ? TO ANSWER AND WHAT SHOULD NOT BE TALKED ABOUT AT ALL!
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How old are they?

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id go psycho if my parents wanted to supervise my internet access- they dont read my letters or listen to phone conversations or ask about every interaction i have with people, evil can happen as much in the real world as it can on the internet- and more often to much worse consequences.

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I agree with you, I'd do the same. the thing to remember, is that you can only protect kids for so long, as eventually they'll leave home, and if you protect them too much, they'll go from no freedom to total freedom, and this often has diabolical results.

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Does being a christian make you a better person or less likely to commit crimes?
I don't know much about this case over the basics from the news...just curious as to whether you think being religious makes you more/less likely to commit crimes etc?


I did not say that because he is christian he is upstanding.... the actions that he's taken with in his faith and life for that matter just seem to me that he wouldn't involve himself in something like this.
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Originally posted by ickle_katy
id go psycho if my parents wanted to supervise my internet access- they dont read my letters or listen to phone conversations or ask about every interaction i have with people, evil can happen as much in the real world as it can on the internet- and more often to much worse consequences.

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There's absolutely no reason that a 12 yr old girl shouldn't require internet supervision to some extent.... sorry but theres just something out there that a 12 year old shouldn't be doing, like 30 year old men.... I parent knows who their child is hanging out with friends that they have (or at least they should) These parents said "we knew she was talking to people on the ineternet we just didn't know it was anyone specific." This girl and toby exchanged REAL mail, not just email. Why did the parents not question then?

Aside from that a 12 year old girl should not be spending 11 hours a day as stated by her parents on the internet.... Heck I dont even spend that much time on the internet and i take online classes and chat with a few friends. A 12 year old girl should be outside playing with friends not sitting in front of a computer screen for almost half the day. And if I had a 12 year old girl that went "psycho" because I supervising her internet access.... TO DAMN BAD.... some day parents will have to grow up and start being the adults.
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Originally posted by PHIL
I agree with you, I'd do the same. the thing to remember, is that you can only protect kids for so long, as eventually they'll leave home, and if you protect them too much, they'll go from no freedom to total freedom, and this often has diabolical results.

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Theres a difference between supervised internet access (for a 12 year old mind you) and no freedom at all... You can give a child privacy and still know whats going on in their life.... if you dont, things like this can happen.

So far shevaun has not stated that he hurt her, so as far as I can tell he didn't. What if she had met some man that actually would hurt her. Raped her and then brutally killed her. But hey... ohwell, at least she had her freedom right?
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First off let me start by saying that I knew toby personally for three years in the MARINE CORP and and he was fat and nasty so quit building him up like he was a national hero because he was far from it... Granted he did go to war for our country and that is what every marine wants to do but you dont see me going out and kidnapping 12 yr old girls... all I am saying is that no matter what you think of the guy he is a 31 yr old that had nothing better to do with his time in the marines but whine and cry about how it was so unfair to him and that the ppl were always looking for something on him... I knew him and all he ever did was sit his nasty fat butt in front of the computer and talk to ugly nasty girls on the internet so if you want to build him up to be a saint which he was far from then go ahead but the ppl that knew him know the truth..
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I mean apart from the reported pornography, there isn't much else to go on the fact that he's a kind of man who would be a danger to the girl, is there? There might be. All I am saying is that what if at the end of this, it is mainly the girl's fault, after all she sounds like she knew exactly what she was doing. True, Studabaker should have brought her back as soon as he found out that she wasn't 29, but only a minor.
The reported pornogrpahy at this point is still a rumor, he has not been charged with possesion of child pornogrpahy, so my guess is, media hype.

I do agree how ever that the second he saw her and knew that she was not 18/19 (not 29 dunno if that was a typo) as she had told him he should have departed from her immediately. I looked older for my age when I was an adolescent, but I certainly did not look 19 when I was 12. No question. In the end his judgement sucked, however. Her's did as well, what 12 year old goes to meet an american 30 year old man.... The girl had to lie to her parents to get her passport so she could buy a plane ticket. IMO you know what you are doing is wrong if you have to lie about your actions.
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Ok- this 11 hours a day thing- on weekends right? Because there's no way you could fit in those hours around school...

As for the supervision thing- 'unregistered' do you think they should constantly moniter her- eg do you think they should sit there constantly while she does whatever it is she does? Do you expect her parents to read through all her emails? She would have been able to talk to him through other means than emails and perhaps her parents trusted her- I know mine do (I know I'm older but they did when I was her age- does that make them bad parents?)! At what age do you think 'children' should be allowed to use the internet unmonitered?
Obviously her parents could have popped in and out to see what she was up to but windows can be minimized *excuse sp* etc...

I'm sure lots of children talk and lie online about their age however I would say most have the sense not to share personal details and certainly would be educated about the risks of using chat rooms etc ...this girl obviously lacked some very basic knowledge in this respect...

How is it that she managed to purchase a plane ticket- surely her parents would have noticed a large bill showing up on their credit cards? Or had she saved up?

As for Studabaker- when he met her why oh why did he still get on the plane with her? Plain stupidy ey?
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Apparently, he DID know she was 12. And I didn't know about the child porn on his computer, but if this is all true then the man is definately a paedophile through and through and needs locking up ASAP. However, the girl is incredibly stupid and I hope she got a good *******ing from her parents when she was brought home.

And the way the media go on about the internet is ridiculous I agree, it has turned into a moral panic. Because of the minority of sick ******* paedophiles the internet gets a bad name.

Also, it IS the parents responsibilty to regulate and know what their children are getting up to on the internet. If all parents did this then there would be no way for paedos to prey on children. I know it wouldn't be comfortable to have someone watching over your shoulder when you are on the net, but tough I think thats the way it needs to be (I'm talking about under sixteens). Put the PC in the living room or something so they can be supervised while they are surfing. Or better still, get hold of a program that records all the PC's activity so the parent won't need to supervise but can check up on a regular basis what their kid/s have been up to.
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(Original post by Unregistered)
First off let me start by saying that I knew toby personally for three years in the MARINE CORP and and he was fat and nasty so quit building him up like he was a national hero because he was far from it... Granted he did go to war for our country and that is what every marine wants to do but you dont see me going out and kidnapping 12 yr old girls... all I am saying is that no matter what you think of the guy he is a 31 yr old that had nothing better to do with his time in the marines but whine and cry about how it was so unfair to him and that the ppl were always looking for something on him... I knew him and all he ever did was sit his nasty fat butt in front of the computer and talk to ugly nasty girls on the internet so if you want to build him up to be a saint which he was far from then go ahead but the ppl that knew him know the truth..

Are you serious? What do you mean whine and cry cos ppl were looking for something on him? Don't get what you mean?
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Whether it's true about the child pornogrophy or not, I agree that no matter what, the 12 year old would have probably not looked like a 19 year old. If so, then the man should have reported her straight away, if he was a decent person, and going on a plane with her, now that's just wrong. Any decent person would normally care about the child's safety and phone the girl's parents. And that girl seriously needs some lessons on internet safety. I hope the parents did something serious about her lack of control and care.
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