Toby Studabaker, did he do anything wrong?

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No I don't think he did, how many times have you chatted with someone on the internet to acutally find out that they are not who they say they are?
Ok, so he actually went to Manchester to meet her. But at the end of the day he thought he was meeting a 18/19year old, only to discover to his cost that she was in actual fact a 12yr old child.

She looked older on the photo of her reunited with her mother, a bit of make up would make her look older still, all the CTV pictures show JUST him, were are the CTV pictures of her? What is being hidden here?

The fact that her parents allowed her unlimited access to the internet i.e. 11hours on her own when she was alone at home, says a lot to me, its the parents at fault here, not the man arrested, since when has it been allowed that a CHILD of 11/12years of age is allowed home alone.

To me he is innocent, & both her & her parents are to blame.

+ she cannot of being sexually assaluted as the police would of had examined her, so they are holding for no reason & basically trying to find what sticks to him, throw enough dirt something will stick sooner or later.
Which is very unfair to the man, it should be the parents that they are holding allow him to go home & get on with his life
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There's absolutely no reason that a 12 yr old girl shouldn't require internet supervision to some extent

there should be the same supervision for a 12 year old child on the internet as off of it.
.... sorry but theres just something out there that a 12 year old shouldn't be doing, like 30 year old men....

the 30 yr old man was off the internet not on it. ok she met him there, but that bit wasnt the problem bit....
I parent knows who their child is hanging out with friends that they have (or at least they should)
you've never lied to your parents about where you are/who your with???
These parents said "we knew she was talking to people on the ineternet we just didn't know it was anyone specific." This girl and toby exchanged REAL mail, not just email. Why did the parents not question then?
what reason have they got to question her mail??? my dad dont ask me about the letters i get, nor my little sister who is the same age as shevaun.

Aside from that a 12 year old girl should not be spending 11 hours a day as stated by her parents on the internet.... Heck I dont even spend that much time on the internet and i take online classes and chat with a few friends. A 12 year old girl should be outside playing with friends not sitting in front of a computer screen for almost half the day.
what happends if its raining??? you cant be outside with your mates?? so maybe she was going online to talk to her mates???
And if I had a 12 year old girl that went "psycho" because I supervising her internet access..
if you say a child cant do something, you'll just make them do it more- library's give free internet acces- if she cant acces it at home, she can always go elsewhere.
.. TO DAMN BAD.... some day parents will have to grow up and start being the adults.
maybe the whole problem here was her upbrining. we can all go blaming the internet, but its not the problem. that child- like many others- simply do not have any common sence.

lack of supervision on the internet aint the problem, its lack of love at home.

love Katy ***
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(Original post by tetley720)
No I don't think he did?
I don't know for sure if he did or not, but that is what I have read in the newspaper (I know that this may not necessarily be true). If he did think she was 19 and isn't a paedophile then I genuinely feel sorry for the man and it is a terrible thing for him to have to go through. I'm sure the facts will emerge soon enough though.


(Original post by tetley720)
how many times have you chatted with someone on the internet to acutally find out that they are not who they say they are?
Never. I have never met up with someone after meeting them on the internet even though I am an adult now and I am male. I would never give my personal details (i.e, address etc) to someone I don't know over the internet it is too dodgy it could be some stalker, murderer or someone that is just plain weird.


(Original post by tetley720)
The fact that her parents allowed her unlimited access to the internet i.e. 11hours on her own when she was alone at home, says a lot to me, its the parents at fault here, not the man arrested, since when has it been allowed that a CHILD of 11/12years of age is allowed home alone.
I agree, the parents are clearly irresponsible for letting her use the internet for 11hrs a day unsupervised. However, I don't think all the blame should lie with the parents she is 12 not 6 and should know that she put herself in a potentially dangerous situation. I remeber when I was 12 and would have definately wouldn't have even contemplated anything like that. She has a mind of her own and I think a great deal of the blame lies with her, and if she did genuinely lie about her age and if Studabaker did think she was 19 and if he isn't a paedophile then I hope shes realises what she has done and the amount of trouble she has brought upon an innocent man (if that is the case).


(Original post by tetley720)
she cannot of being sexually assaluted as the police would of had examined her, so they are holding for no reason & basically trying to find what sticks to him, throw enough dirt something will stick sooner or later.
I'm sure the facts will emerge soon enough.
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Are you serious? What do you mean whine and cry cos ppl were looking for something on him? Don't get what you mean?
He was always saying that the ppl didnt like him and they had something against him... and that ppl were looking for reasons to get him in to trouble... Yes I am 100% serious ppl dont know the real truth about the good old toby except the ppl that have lived with him for the past few years... You seem to learn a lot about a certin ppl and how they really are when you are looking at them every day... I can guarantee that toby deffinatly had porn on his computer because I have seen it first hand... Child porn is something that I cant state because I wouldnt know because on the internet ppl say that it is children and stuff and its really not so you cant believe everything..
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I read the criminal charges filed against Toby by two pre-teens (on The Smoking Gun). The case was a few years ago, but its pretty clear where his tastes lie.

In Holland 12 years old is the age of consent anyway so he should have just gone there, or better still Sri Lanka.

Like others before him, his yearning for young flesh has addled his mind - did he really think he was going to get away without being tracked!

Anyway he will be out in three years touching up some other unsuspecting girls, but maybe this time he will learn from his mistakes and take the precaution of doing it in the third world, or somewhere else where people don't care.

And to respond to the poster who pointed out he was a Christian, if you are stupid enough to follow an organized religion then you are stupid enough to get caught.

Running with the devil...!
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Does being a christian make you a better person or less likely to commit crimes?
I don't know much about this case over the basics from the news...just curious as to whether you think being religious makes you more/less likely to commit crimes etc?


I did not say that because he is christian he is upstanding.... the actions that he's taken with in his faith and life for that matter just seem to me that he wouldn't involve himself in something like this.
All those things are true Christian school ,Marine,Widower. He also was brought up on charges of fondeling a 12 year olds breast and giving a 9 year old sex lotion and telling her what it is used for. His exfather in law said he left his dying wife that had cancer then collected 150,000.00 insurance on her. He had another girl friend he went to live with while his wife was dying. The child pron on his computer may or may not be true, but theLE took it for evidence. Child perverts talk childern into going to meet them they can do that because they know a child will listen because a child has no experience in such matters themselves
As for christians some pedos use church to be around children a lot do.
Just look at what is happening with Jehova wittness lately. Also Chathlics sorry I do not know how to spell Cha--- the church in Rome!! The POPE you know?

I will look for the info and post it. It is copys of files from LE. and statements from family. Also no one other then he has said she told him she is 19. Just my way of thinking.
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Just look at what is happening with Jehova wittness lately. Also Chathlics sorry I do not know how to spell Cha--- the church in Rome!! The POPE you know?
Please explain 'what is happening with Jehova wittness lately'?
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Please explain 'what is happening with Jehova wittness lately'?
Hello Egan1,

Go to Guardian Unlimited Home Breaking News U. S.

Or go to Google Search News Jehova's Wittness.


Not to say all christians are pervys but some are. I was almost molested by a Methedist Minister when I was 7. People came in about the same time he put his finger under my pantys under my dress. I would cry and run under my bed when he came to our house to take me to his church. My parents wised up something was not right even though I would'nt tell them. I don't think I had the vocabulary to tell them . Even at that age I knew something was wrong with it and would not be believed or it may have been taken lightly.

Susie77301 from Texas

That is what I think. But I'm Dumb as a Stump!!
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Stud Baker hasn't done anything that millions of people don't do anyway; intercourse between 12 year olds and adults is a worldwide past time. Mostly between father and daughter, also between Westerners and 3rd World pre teens.

So if it is something universally enjoyed who are we do deny these sweet pleasures from one of our nation's military heros. He gave us freedom lets not take his away.
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ITHINK THOU SHALL NOT JUDGE. i KNOW BETTER
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intercourse between 12 year olds and adults is a worldwide past time. Mostly between father and daughter, also between Westerners and 3rd World pre teens.
So if it is something universally enjoyed who are we do deny these sweet pleasures from one of our nation's military heros. He gave us freedom lets not take his away.

you're so ****** sick in your goddamn head. just because so many people do this doesn't make it legal, does it? Shut the hell up and drop dead, ******.

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(Original post by susie77301)
Hello Egan1,

Go to Guardian Unlimited Home Breaking News U. S.

Or go to Google Search News Jehova's Wittness.


Not to say all christians are pervys but some are. I was almost molested by a Methedist Minister when I was 7. People came in about the same time he put his finger under my pantys under my dress. I would cry and run under my bed when he came to our house to take me to his church. My parents wised up something was not right even though I would'nt tell them. I don't think I had the vocabulary to tell them . Even at that age I knew something was wrong with it and would not be believed or it may have been taken lightly.

Susie77301 from Texas

That is what I think. But I'm Dumb as a Stump!!

No your not as dumb as stump, anyone that does things like that should be beaten to a pulp and then set alight and burned to death.

I think if someone can be proved 100% guilty of paedophilia then we should bring capital punishment back for these sick *******s. Forensic science should be aiming to find ways of proving 100% guilt, because of course, if an innocent man was convicted and hung etc then that would be terrible. But if we could prove 100% guilt then we should hang all of the *******s.
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In Holland 12 years old is the age of consent anyway so he should have just gone there, or better still Sri Lanka.
is that really true because if it is, then that is just plain wrong! i do not like the dutch philosophy at all, they are way too liberal about everything. i went to amsterdam a few years ago with my 10 year old cousins and we had to keep walking quickly or avoiding certain streets because we did not want them to see the countless sex shops! even though it was daytime and they were closed, the window displays were appalling and definetely ruined an otherwise beautiful city. and on top of that we had to put up with people smoking joints in cafes.

call me old fashioned (even though im only 18) but i really do not agree with that.
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is that really true because if it is, then that is just plain wrong! i do not like the dutch philosophy at all, they are way too liberal about everything. i went to amsterdam a few years ago with my 10 year old cousins and we had to keep walking quickly or avoiding certain streets because we did not want them to see the countless sex shops! even though it was daytime and they were closed, the window displays were appalling and definetely ruined an otherwise beautiful city. and on top of that we had to put up with people smoking joints in cafes.

call me old fashioned (even though im only 18) but i really do not agree with that.
The age of consent is 14 in Italy.
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is that really true because if it is, then that is just plain wrong! i do not like the dutch philosophy at all, they are way too liberal about everything. i went to amsterdam a few years ago with my 10 year old cousins and we had to keep walking quickly or avoiding certain streets because we did not want them to see the countless sex shops! even though it was daytime and they were closed, the window displays were appalling and definetely ruined an otherwise beautiful city. and on top of that we had to put up with people smoking joints in cafes.

call me old fashioned (even though im only 18) but i really do not agree with that.

No, I think the age of consent in Holland is 14 not 12 like someone said. I think so anyway but not entirely sure. I think that even 14 is still too young though.
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i went to amsterdam a few years ago with my 10 year old cousins and we had to keep walking quickly or avoiding certain streets because we did not want them to see the countless sex shops!
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This is just plain ignorant: there is nothing wrong with sex shops or 12-year olds seeing them. By avoiding these streets you are repressing natural curiosity and your cousins may grow up to be pederasts.
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Stud Baker got what he wanted and so did she.
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Stud Baker got what he wanted and so did she.
This happened ages ago, can't we just leave it and let the thread die?


PS I realise it is somewhat hypocritical for me to ask others to stop posting on the thread when I am the most recent poster.
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This happened ages ago, can't we just leave it and let the thread die?


PS I realise it is somewhat hypocritical for me to ask others to stop posting on the thread when I am the most recent poster.
But have you heard the latest - he is cleared and going free!
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But have you heard the latest - he is cleared and going free!
Is this true? Wonder why it hasn't it been in the news then...
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