Toby Studabaker, did he do anything wrong?

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Stud Baker hasn't done anything that millions of people don't do anyway; intercourse between 12 year olds and adults is a worldwide past time. Mostly between father and daughter, also between Westerners and 3rd World pre teens.

So if it is something universally enjoyed who are we do deny these sweet pleasures from one of our nation's military heros. He gave us freedom lets not take his away.

u r a pig. just because it happens doesn't make it correct or condonable. And as for him being a military hero, how can u say that gives him the right to be a child predator? I don't care what wonderful things you may have done in the past, that does not absolve you of doing horrible things.

as for the wording "sweet pleasures", I repeat....PIG
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I read the criminal charges filed against Toby by two pre-teens (on The Smoking Gun). The case was a few years ago, but its pretty clear where his tastes lie.

In Holland 12 years old is the age of consent anyway so he should have just gone there, or better still Sri Lanka.

Like others before him, his yearning for young flesh has addled his mind - did he really think he was going to get away without being tracked!

Anyway he will be out in three years touching up some other unsuspecting girls, but maybe this time he will learn from his mistakes and take the precaution of doing it in the third world, or somewhere else where people don't care.

And to respond to the poster who pointed out he was a Christian, if you are stupid enough to follow an organized religion then you are stupid enough to get caught.

Running with the devil...!
Amen to that, lol


Amen, lol
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This case regarding the ex US marine and 12 year girl shevaun has been in the news a lot recently but i find some of the facts interesting. It seems that the girl told Studabaker that she was 19 (im not sure whether this is true but for the time being i will assume it is) and after looking at some of her recent photos she certainly looks a lot older than 12.

also she left her home willingly, met with Mr Studabaker and was allowed to call home and arrive back safely. when she called home she said "she was thinking of coming home" implying that the decision was hers.

now if studabaker knew all along that she was 12, he is guilty as sin and should be punished. but lets just say that shevaun told him she was 19, has he really done anything wrong? he is facing charges of abduction but its not like he kidnapped her or forced her to meet him and she was allowed to call home and arrived back safely. im interested to hear what you all think in general about whether we treat children as completely unable to make their own decisions when they meet with people in internet chatrooms.
As it turns out, Mr Studabaker has only been charged in relation to child abduction. So it seems increasingly likely, to say the least, that he was telling the truth when he told the German judge that he thought she was 18/19 (I don't remember which). Although he had been treated appallingly be the media, in particular in Britain but not exclusively, who generally totally dispensed with the presumption of innoncence from the beginning and even after he returned the girl safely and gave himself up (or was about to when he was arrested), what he has actually been accused of has not been given much media coverage.

What I find really interesting is that although Toby is the only person who did not really have the means to verify the girl's age (at least during their year-long internet relationship) and check that what she was doing was appropriate for her age, he is the only bearing full responsibility for it! The girl, who seriously misled him during a whole year and then let him further down by eloping with him without informing him of the fact that she was underage, can't be held responsible because of her age precisely. But the parents who have a duty of care can leave their daughter totally unsupervised on the net and have no idea what she is up to for a whole year and not share any of the responsibility either! Am I the only person thinking this is rather odd and unfair?
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But the parents who have a duty of care can leave their daughter totally unsupervised on the net and have no idea what she is up to for a whole year and not share any of the responsibility either! Am I the only person thinking this is rather odd and unfair?
her parents must be pretty rubbish. they should be punished too.
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''.....I've also read a bit about his past. He sounds like an upstanding man. He attended a christian college, and stated he couldn't wait to get out of the army so that he could better serve God. He was honorably discharged from the army and has protected our country against terrorism since Sept. 11 His character is of high value and its unfortunate that something like this would have to taint the image of our country internationally. If any truth comes to the suspicions of sexual assult... kidnapping whatever, its unfortunate that it taints out country as a whole......''

What a crock of **** As if so called christians are any less liable to be sex offenders thn anyone else. he met this girl in England, it was obvious how old she was, he is that way inclined anyway from all accounts. How many parents really know what their offspring are doing? why has he now been charged with child abduction and 8 other charges relating to the child?



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I'm not really replying to anyone in particular, but I wanted to state my opinion on the whole thing after reading a few of the posts. I've followed this whole ordeal since it began.

First, this girl went willingly to meet Toby Studabaker. Whether she knew he was 31 or not... Did she honestly think that a kid her age or even around her age would be able to travel internationally?? She lied to her parents and asked for her passport so that she could get a bus pass, and then went to meet this man at the airport where she then obviously willingly went on a plane with him to another country. She has stated more than once to her parents that she was fine and was not being kept against her will. He made sure she was safe, and returned her unharmed as the articles I have read have stated. Sounds to me like he did nothing harmful to her sexually or otherwise. Sounds like she went willingly and was decietful to many people in this ordeal including him, and her parents.

Now about her age discrepancy. IMO She told him that she was older. Once the man saw her however... there's a huge difference between a 12 year old girl and a 19 year old woman... HUGE... maybe she looked older in her pictures, but not possible to pull off a 7 year adolescent difference. To much goes on physically in those 7 years. So for once seeing this girl, and knowing that she's not 18/19 like she may have said before, and then traveling across country lines. That in itself is a crime and if nothing else he should be prosecuted for his poor judgement in those actions.

As for the child pornography... I dont believe it... I have not seen this reported in but a few articles that I have read. And it's also early in the game... He has not been charged with this, nor has there been any prosecution for it so i think this one we need to wait out until we have more of the truth in this accusation. His not harming the girl physically/sexually does not indicate that he is a child sexual predator.

I've also read a bit about his past. He sounds like an upstanding man. He attended a christian college, and stated he couldn't wait to get out of the army so that he could better serve God. He was honorably discharged from the army and has protected our country against terrorism since Sept. 11 His character is of high value and its unfortunate that something like this would have to taint the image of our country internationally. If any truth comes to the suspicions of sexual assult... kidnapping whatever, its unfortunate that it taints out country as a whole

Any who... those are just some of my opinions.
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Stud Baker hasn't done anything that millions of people don't do anyway; intercourse between 12 year olds and adults is a worldwide past time. Mostly between father and daughter, also between Westerners and 3rd World pre teens.

So if it is something universally enjoyed who are we do deny these sweet pleasures from one of our nation's military heros. He gave us freedom lets not take his away.
His having been in the army is entirely irrelevant. The fact that an individual is a soldier hardly excuses them from the moral standards others must follow- ie because Studabaker fought in a war (the defending our freedom bit is a highly subjective analysis of the Iraqi conflict!) does not mean he can then go off with a twelve year old.
I really hope you arent suggesting soldiers ought to be excused punishment for any crimes they commit. That would be one hell of a can of worms to open up.
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His having been in the army is entirely irrelevant. The fact that an individual is a soldier hardly excuses them from the moral standards others must follow- ie because Studabaker fought in a war (the defending our freedom bit is a highly subjective analysis of the Iraqi conflict!) does not mean he can then go off with a twelve year old.
I really hope you arent suggesting soldiers ought to be excused punishment for any crimes they commit. That would be one hell of a can of worms to open up.
Studabaker fought in Afghanistan anyway, not in Iraq. Secondly, he appears to have wanted to leave the Marines.

About the previous message, there is a slight confusion. He was charged with child abduction and nothing else, which means that he did not assault the girl in any way. It's the other guy, the 46-year old bloke who ran away with the 14-year old who has 9 charges!

I agree with the fact that whether a marine or not, a (decorated) war veteran or not, a Christian or not, an American or not, does not have any bearing on whether what he did is right or wrong, or less wrong and more right. But it would be important to establish the facts of what he did actually do and know and stop making wild accusations. Also, since he did not have any sexual contact of any sort with her (or he would have been charged), why on earth would he have run of with a 12-year old knowingly? Just to get thrown into gaol? It doesn't make sense. But the courts will decide on that. In the meantime, we should remember that he is innocent until proven guilty.
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ye, trusted a 12 year old.
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Studabaker fought in Afghanistan anyway, not in Iraq. Secondly, he appears to have wanted to leave the Marines.

About the previous message, there is a slight confusion. He was charged with child abduction and nothing else, which means that he did not assault the girl in any way. It's the other guy, the 46-year old bloke who ran away with the 14-year old who has 9 charges!

I agree with the fact that whether a marine or not, a (decorated) war veteran or not, a Christian or not, an American or not, does not have any bearing on whether what he did is right or wrong, or less wrong and more right. But it would be important to establish the facts of what he did actually do and know and stop making wild accusations. Also, since he did not have any sexual contact of any sort with her (or he would have been charged), why on earth would he have run of with a 12-year old knowingly? Just to get thrown into gaol? It doesn't make sense. But the courts will decide on that. In the meantime, we should remember that he is innocent until proven guilty.
Oh, i thought it was Iraq. The analysis of the Afghanistan attacks as "defending our freedom" is equally subjective though.
I'm glad you agree that being in an army doesnt entitle one to special treatment and while its true that we dont know what happened exactly, that doesnt change my point.
I actually saw Studabakers brother or something attempting to defend him on one of the news channels and making a complete mess of it. He was talking about the previous assault charges in an attempt at defending him (was it against a relative or something?) and the brother said that if they were wrestling, sometimes hands might go where they shouldnt. Which made me think he should have kept his mouth shut!
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Oh, i thought it was Iraq. The analysis of the Afghanistan attacks as "defending our freedom" is equally subjective though.
I'm glad you agree that being in an army doesnt entitle one to special treatment and while its true that we dont know what happened exactly, that doesnt change my point.
(I'm not the same 'unregistered' by the way...)

It doesn't change my point either, though, that he is entitled to a fair trial, just like anybody else!
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(I'm not the same 'unregistered' by the way...)

It doesn't change my point either, though, that he is entitled to a fair trial, just like anybody else!
Never said it didnt, however mine still also holds good- he should not be entitled to clemency in a British court because of his membership of the US armed forces (it was a stupid suggestion by the unregistered anyway!)
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Never said it didnt, however mine still also holds good- he should not be entitled to clemency in a British court because of his membership of the US armed forces (it was a stupid suggestion by the unregistered anyway!)
Well, lala, we're in agreement then! (By the way there were a lot of very stupid suggestions and comments made along the way...)
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I'll say. Why dont you register?
Done!
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I think most parents would have the sense to educate their children about not giving out details etc...it kind of bridges off the 'don't talk to strangers' sorts of messages you're taught from infancy...and even if they don't for most I would say it was common sense!
Wish someome would mention this is a "commom sensless" wicked 12 year old like so many you can find around the internet... there are 12 and 12 year old girls... and this one, in my view, lacked a lot of parental control - as in "knowing one's child"...

As far as i am concerned, jail the guy for child porn, but blame the girl and the parents for the "eloping"...
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As far as i am concerned, jail the guy for child porn, but blame the girl and the parents for the "eloping"...
That would be difficult, he has no such charge!
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That would be difficult, he has no such charge!
If he really is guilty of child porn they will convict him... and he deserves it Zouzou... that is yet to be proven... but if it is true they will prove it.
Where it comes to the girl, i still believe he is not guilty. Would he cross the atlantic leaving all kinds of trails and marks if he knew she was 12? I just do NOT believe it. What i tend to believe if that that moron realised she was 12 when she was already with him (he did not go for her, she left home and met him at the airport, right?), he saw he was in trouble, and instead of just flying straight back and delievering her to her door tried to get cover in some USA embassy to avoid what was coming to him... one way or the other he had no escape...
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If he really is guilty of child porn they will convict him... and he deserves it Zouzou... that is yet to be proven... but if it is true they will prove it.
Where it comes to the girl, i still believe he is not guilty. Would he cross the atlantic leaving all kinds of trails and marks if he knew she was 12? I just do NOT believe it. What i tend to believe if that that moron realised she was 12 when she was already with him (he did not go for her, she left home and met him at the airport, right?), he saw he was in trouble, and instead of just flying straight back and delievering her to her door tried to get cover in some USA embassy to avoid what was coming to him... one way or the other he had no escape...
I quite agree with you, malena2003, relating the child abduction charge. I think it doesn't make sense at all, he was using his mobile phone, his credit card... He wasn't on the run at all. And the girl didn't pretend she was 18 for nothing, did she? When exactly did he find out she was 12 ? I don't think we can tell, it will all be investigated and explored in court anyway. But I think that the fact that for almost a year they had been corresponding and developed a romantic relationship on the basis that she was 18 means that to him it was totally out of his mental horizon that she could actually be younger than that. And she does look a lot older than 12, too!

Another thing: he has told the truth about not having had any sexual contact with her, as it turned out, so he may well have been telling the truth about finding out about her real age from the papers... And he did contact the FBI and follow their instructions to go to the nearest US diplomatic representation to give himself up...

About the alleged child porn that the media was so keen to tell us about, well, I gather it was another example of appalling journalism, because he is not charged for that, and nothing indicates that he will face such charges back in the US either. But of course, should it be true, the police and FBI will find it and he will be charged and convicted. In the meantime, I think it's probably a whole lot of rubbish!
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I quite agree with you, malena2003, relating the child abduction charge. I think it doesn't make sense at all...In the meantime, I think it's probably a whole lot of rubbish!
Agree fully zouzou... darn! children just aren't what they used to be!

Often think that, since he has not been on the news... prolly still in jail waiting for whoever to decide on his future...

Still believe he'll be freed in the end... and believe me, if i were in his shoes, and found innocent, someone somewhere WOULD have to pay damages!

Guess we'll have to wait and see!

Be happy :-)
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Why would he take her anyway - she is SO UGLY!
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Why would he take her anyway - she is SO UGLY!
LOVE IS BLIND!
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