(Original post by Sarah Hameed)
I have my son just dismissed because of your university
I will tell out story again and again every where
This is about medicine / dentistry in Debrecen university
I am strongly against Debrecen University. It’s all about making business. Usually they give you easy questions during interview exams. Most students of A level pass it and get seats. And here we start. Once you start there you will discover what’s meant by torture.
In short they will take your money and send your children with nothing. This could happen at any stage by the way.
Each exam has three attempts in first year and another 3 attempts if you are a repeater. Normally trial A and B are within the package which you made at the beginning of the year. From trial C till the 6th
trial must be paid before exams.
The lectures are not satisfactory. Professors are not keen to teach. You’re forced to take private teaching sessions either from them or from other higher stage students or graduates who they learned from their masters how to make money from new coming students (i.e jungle)
You study hard and go to the exam. The professor will do his best to make you fail and reach trial C (make payment). He will even do his best to fail student at Trial C. This means they turned you in to a repeater. Guess what they will repeat the same story in the next year. Now your will study even more hard and will make you reach the last trial. You will pass the written part which is never easy (pass mark is 80% and above = 16/20). Then they send you to the worst prof. ever they have, who hates his life and definitely others, for example prof. Peter in chemistry, and he will give you the hardest questions. Then he tells you sorry I can’t pass you. You made a mistake in one part. You will remind him that this is the last chance (dismissal) and he replies I don’t care.
Of course this didn’t happen to all because some are lucky enough not to see his face (like one of the reviewers mentioned luck). Believe me you will need it as if you are in a battle.
Others have their own ways (bribe).
Students who come from rich countries like our story, parent s who are doctor and they can pay, the university will do their best to suck their money.
I am hereby, warning parents. You will lose your money and you children will suffer a lot or will end up with very bad experience.
I will do my best to publish my review about Debrecen university on other sites just to warn people and show them the hidden facts about this university.
I will repeat again: those who were successful and passed are not genius. They have luck. Others have found their way to the heart of the examiner. I hope this is clear.
I told our story.
Dear „Sarah Hameed” – the name you’re hiding behind - you afraid to use your real name because in that case the exact reason of your son’s dismiss could be unfolded.
This post shows my opinion only and not officially the University’s.
I wrote this post because I have to tell the facts which show why your thinking is totally wrong. I can understand your frustration because your son couldn’t pass his exam(s) but it’s very primitive to blame the University and look down those who graduated with a really hard work and can be called Doctors and Dentists. They are not just lucky, they worked hard to get a quality degree and be proud of it because they know that it wasn’t easy to get and they had to put hard work into it.
What we expect from our Doctors and Dentists? Knowing that anybody could gain easily a M.D and D.M.D degree? Or respect them for what they did and put our trust in them when they are treating, doing surgery on us, on our sons and daughters? Or always be afraid of them because the degree they have was easily to get and everybody can have it? So no high standard, no level of education, no high requirements etc……? I don’t think so! A Medical University has to be hard and has to have quality and standards. Don’t need for Doctors and Dentists who has no quality and standards of their degree.
The money issue you wrote is totally wrong and shows that you have lack of mathematical skills too. I guide you through now why. The University could make the most money if they didn’t fail anybody and letting everybody go through up to the 6th year. But in that case the degree wouldn’t worth anything and wouldn’t be a quality degree. Make it easily understandable - count with 300 students on each year / there is place limitation so the max is 300 on each year/. If they don’t fail anybody there will be 1 800 payer students. But if they fail 50 students on each year see what happens on each year.
1st year always 300
2nd year because of the fails already only 250 person so 50 is missing
3rd year 200 payer and 100 missing
4th year 150 payer and 150 is missing
5th year 100 payer and 200 missing
6th year only 50 payer and 250 missing
So if you add the missing payer students you get 750 students are missing. Their tuition is 750x16 500=12 375 000 USD.
The repeated exam fees are an average 5 USD. 750 students are missing, so the University has 1 050 students who pay. How many times this 1 050 students should pay the 5 USD to reach 12 375 000USD? I tell you 2 475 000 times. Taking further – 1 person should make 2 357 times that 5 Usd payment to have the same 12 375 000 USD amount. Do you think it’s possible and could have been happened? Simple mathematical skills you needed, only multiplication and division.
So if the University would go for the money only, they wouldn’t fail anybody because they would lose lots of money. That’s a fact and as I showed, the University can’t make such high income from the repeated exam fees. So it’s proved that the standard of education and quality degree is more important to the University and your pure explanation is wrong and pathetic.
As you mentioned too students can take an exam 6 times. Do you think 6 times are not enough? How long the University should allow taking exams? After the 1st occasion you should think something is wrong. Get a private tutor. If you can’t pass an exam with an academic private tutor you should look into yourself - something is wrong with you and might being a Doctor or a Dentist is not for you. It’s not a shame. We are talking about the hardest degrees you can get. If everybody could be a Doctor, than everybody would go for that. Without standard and level of education could we put our trust into the Doctors to treat us?
You mentioned that students don’t get support from the University. Here are again the facts.
There are lectures and seminars on each subject. On the seminars - which are after the big lecture- only a smaller group attend. The seminars are for discussion too so if somebody doesn’t understand something can ask to discuss it. But obviously if your son didn’t look into the topic after the lecture and before the seminar he has no clue to ask anything. On the other hand there are self-controlled tests too in every 3-4 weeks. If your son failed on it should have indicated to him and you that he needs some help or more study. Get a private tutor! It’s not a shame! We are talking about University studies! On the 3rd hand there are Academic advisors on every department and they are there for help the students.This Bulletin is always given to all of the students on the day of registration. I bet you didn’t even know about it or you didn’t think that could help you.
The whole Bulletin is available on the internet so you can check now that academic advisors are appointed on every single department.
So the facts are for support
1. Lecture- 1st time you hear the topic
2. Seminar- 2nd time your hear the topic + for discussion too
3. Self-controlled tests in every 3-4 weeks - so around 5-6 tests have to be written before the examination + those who successfully pass all of them will be offered a grade and they don’t have to take the exam in the examination period.
4. 3 occasions to pass the exam in the examination period maximum - 2 times 3 occasions/ 6 times/
5. Academic advisors
6. Private tutor – but a private tutor should be for the whole semester not in the last minute in the examination period and have only 1 week to be prepared for the last exam. I had lots of desperate requests to find a tutor quickly because the exam is on the next week. I wouldn’t be surprised if the exam didn’t go well if I had a private tutor for only a week for my last exam.
You mentioned bribe too - It’s a silly supposition! The academic staffs receive quite good salary. They are academic tutors so they even despise those who did even mention it. On the other hand if it would exist why you didn’t go for it? I tell you why not - because it does not exist. It’s always a silly explanation from those who couldn’t pass the exam.
What did you mean with “i.e. jungle”? Are you racist? Do you look down others because their skins are different to yours? That shows what type of person you are!
Criticise the lectures? I bet you never ever listened any of the lecture and you don’t even know what publications, research work etc….. they do/did. It’s again showing how primitive your explanation. I’m sure that if somebody looks into your article a bit deeper will recognise that you are frustrated of your son’s fail and trying to decry the University as much as you can with making up stories.
Look into yourself whether you did everything, whether your son’s stories are true. Because as I’m living here I see some of the students are here just for fun and always out. I’m in this business for 13 years so I’ve seen a few things and I could give you a few other explanations why your son didn’t pass his exams. I bet, you weren’t here all the time during the whole semester. I know you have trust in your son but I’m not sure everything is true what you were told.