is it immoral for poor people to have lots of kids?

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is it immoral for poor people to have lots of kids?

considering they will have a harder time in life? This is for the UK and the world.
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Most definitely, and equally immoral to force the rest of society to fund their poor life decisions
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Immoral, no. Irresponsible? Possibly.
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Immoral, no. Irresponsible? Possibly.
"Irresponsible" would cover poor decisions the parents make which don't affect others. Eg. choosing to drink to excess, eating unhealthily etc. Having countless kids which they cannot provide for is not merely irresponsible, it shows a profound lack of moral judgement.
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Immoral, no. Irresponsible? Possibly.
This.


I find very large families weird in general though. Plus there's already too many people on earth, we need a new plague.
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(Original post by minor bun engine)
"Irresponsible" would cover poor decisions the parents make which don't affect others. Eg. choosing to drink to excess, eating unhealthily etc. Having countless kids which they cannot provide for is not merely irresponsible, it shows a profound lack of moral judgement.
Depends how you view morality, and how you view human functionality within that. If procreating is a moral choice, then perhaps that overrides any superficial financial problems one or two individuals may have. If you view society as coming before the individual, then you could make a dubious claim that it's immoral.
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This.
I find very large families weird in general though. Plus there's already too many people on earth, we need a new plague.
Scientific estimates put 100% sustainability at around 2 billion, I think a 'plague' wouldn't do enough, and either way it would be a tragedy.
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(Original post by minor bun engine)
"Irresponsible" would cover poor decisions the parents make which don't affect others. Eg. choosing to drink to excess, eating unhealthily etc. Having countless kids which they cannot provide for is not merely irresponsible, it shows a profound lack of moral judgement.
Eh what? Drinking to excess and eating unhealthily would probably be just as immoral and damaging to their children.
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Scientific estimates put 100% sustainability at around 2 billion, I think a 'plague' wouldn't do enough, and either way it would be a tragedy.
It was a quote from the Office. I.e not serious
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Eh what? Drinking to excess and eating unhealthily would probably be just as immoral and damaging to their children.
If they didn't have children.
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Yes. If you are aware that you can't provide for your family and you still have kids, you're a terrible person. Stupidity, irresponsability, whatever... I think it's immoral.
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There are other immoral things as well like a bad lifestyle, addiction, lack of emotional support, etc but this is off topic.
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It was a quote from the Office. I.e not serious
Well that's what I get for not watching the Office beyond the first two episodes.
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yeah kind of
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Yes 98% of the time. The exceptions are if the parents are incredible people who can give a child a brilliant upbringing without a lot of money.

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Yes 98% of the time. The exceptions are if the parents are incredible people who can give a child a brilliant upbringing without a lot of money.

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true but how many of them do you know? Money is very important now.
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(Original post by Bill_Gates)
is it immoral for poor people to have lots of kids?

considering they will have a harder time in life? This is for the UK and the world.
100% if you cant afford or support a child you are **** for bringing them into the world
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social mobility OP, social mobility.
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100% if you cant afford or support a child you are **** for bringing them into the world
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social mobility OP, social mobility.
not really i don't think it's reasonable to expect every poor child to reach the top. We would have to drop things like inheritance and private property rights and other distinct advantages handed down to well off kids.
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what i can't get my head around is all these mid twnty something people having kids. It has become normal to have a child at 23 or 24. I think that's too early. Nothing wrong with waiting till abuot 30 or so or even 35 at a late stage.
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(Original post by Bill_Gates)
is it immoral for poor people to have lots of kids?

considering they will have a harder time in life? This is for the UK and the world.
In poorer countries kids are economic assets though.
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