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    i disagree with right-wing post-vietnam Reaganism covert agression honestly,

    but its sad he died !
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    (Original post by John Paul Jones)
    i disagree with right-wing post-vietnam Reaganism covert agression honestly,

    but its sad he died !
    it is sad, but 93 is a pretty good run!
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    Of course I'm saddened on the hearing of a death ("No man is an island...Dont ask for whom the bell tolls, the bells toll for thee..." and all that stuff") however, funding wars against democratically elected countreies and ignoring the most blatant abuses of human rights was not the idea of a good president for me. Plus he thought the Vietnam War was a good idea...
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    (Original post by zizero)
    This thread is dedicated to the memory of Ronald Reagan (1911-2004).

    I personally think that he is was one of the best, if not THE best, American presidents of the 20th century.

    His great achievement was to put an end to - and win the Cold War.

    What are your thoughts about this man and his work?
    much appreciated Zizero. a great man.
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    Its always sad when someone dies, but in many ways the world would have been a better place without Reagan leading america for two terms, the end of the cold war was inevitable due to the collapse of the Soviet Union and had very little do with Reagan
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    (Original post by Cossack)
    Its always sad when someone dies, but in many ways the world would have been a better place without Reagan leading america for two terms, the end of the cold war was inevitable due to the collapse of the Soviet Union and had very little do with Reagan
    oh good god.*faints*
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    oh good god.*faints*
    I thought you'd like it
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    (Original post by Cossack)
    Its always sad when someone dies, but in many ways the world would have been a better place without Reagan leading america for two terms, the end of the cold war was inevitable due to the collapse of the Soviet Union and had very little do with Reagan
    Had the US not pressured the Soviet economy so much through the arms race, the URSS would not have collapsed as easily as it did.
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    (Original post by kingslaw)
    Of course I'm saddened on the hearing of a death ("No man is an island...Dont ask for whom the bell tolls, the bells toll for thee..." and all that stuff") however, funding wars against democratically elected countreies and ignoring the most blatant abuses of human rights was not the idea of a good president for me. Plus he thought the Vietnam War was a good idea...
    how has he got anything to do with the vietnam war? that was nixon/kennedy and johnson
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    (Original post by zizero)
    Had the US not pressured the Soviet economy so much through the arms race, the URSS would not have collapsed as easily as it did.
    I know I was just winding Vienna up, I expected a 1,000 word essay from her explaining it to me.....although i disagree with what Reagan did domestically its hard to deny that what he did with Star Wars and increasing the defence budget so massively did bring about the end of the CW
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    http://lib0131.lib.msu.edu/vvl/01125...1-1259-107.mp3


    liberals and jews should go listen to the greatest man that ever Presided over the US.
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    (Original post by Speciez99)
    how has he got anything to do with the vietnam war? that was nixon/kennedy and johnson
    I never said he started it, or took part in it!!!! I'm just saying he vehemently defended Americas participation.
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    (Original post by kingslaw)
    I never said he started it, or took part in it!!!! I'm just saying he vehemently defended Americas participation.
    When he was elected he was considered a right-wing maniac, but during his time as president he managed to push the American people so far to the right that they have regarded him as moderate ever since :eek: .
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    In one way he was a good president- he was one of the ppl who helped Europe get rid of communism...
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    Ronald Reagan probably had more to do with the fall of communism than any other man in the history of the world. He convinced Gorbs that it was a flawed system that could not survive by forcing the USSR into an arms race from which their economy couldn't recover. ...Ours did. In 1980 Reagan began to fix a broken U.S. economy that was handed to him by Carter and gave us the two biggest economic booms in the history of our country and by following his doctrine we will soon be having another. He gave tax cuts to corporations which boosted economic growth and attempted to cut down as much wasteful spending as he could (unfortunatly the democratic congress didn't cooperate) while building up the military that previous administrations had let waver..... He also cut interest rates.

    He was a true believer in real freedom and believed in us as individuals.

    Communists and alike have always hated Reagan for what he did and that probably explains some of the reactions I've seen in this thread.
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    (Original post by Ronnie Raygun)
    Communists and alike have always hated Reagan for what he did and that probably explains some of the reactions I've seen in this thread.
    Yeehaaa for the yankees!

    Expressing a criticism of an administration which committed some very dubious acts does not automatically qualify you as a communist! If it does, please explain the connection to me...

    This reminds of an interview a British academic did with some powerful civil servant of the US Department of Security (or something like that) where the guy being interviewed had just been utterly humiliated about motives for going to war. The interviewee thought the camera's had stopped rolling, so he started asking this academic in a snarling tone whether he was 'some sorta communist'. The academic replied 'no not at all, what makes you think that?'. The interviewee says 'well, your way too damn suspicious to simply be a liberal. Are you sure your not a member of the Labour Party or somethin?'. THE LABOUR PARTY!!! COMMUNIST!!! Jesus Christ! This guy was some highly educated intellectual as well!

    God bless the blinding effects of American patriotic rhetoric...God Bless America, Land of Hope and Freedom :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Rikku)
    In one way he was a good president- he was one of the ppl who helped Europe get rid of communism...
    Yea. Reagan was the main factor in defending Communism. Really. Gorbachev, capitalist attitude of the Russians and the Berlin Wall had nothing to do with it.
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    "Expressing a criticism of an administration which committed some very dubious acts does not automatically qualify you as a communist! If it does, please explain the connection to me..." - kingslaw

    You agree with this man and like him you have NO valid arguments.

    http://news.bostonherald.com/nationa...71&format=text
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    (Original post by kingslaw)
    Yeehaaa for the yankees!

    God bless the blinding effects of American patriotic rhetoric...God Bless America, Land of Hope and Freedom :rolleyes:
    an immense dislike for the US, blatantly left wing, defender of socialism....youre getting there!
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    (Original post by Ronnie Raygun)
    "Expressing a criticism of an administration which committed some very dubious acts does not automatically qualify you as a communist! If it does, please explain the connection to me..." - kingslaw

    You agree with this man and like him you have NO valid arguments.
    It is fair of Kingslaw to criticise and administration just as it is fair of anyone to criticise and administration. It doesn't make him a communist all it means is he disagrees with some of the actions Reagan took. No administration does no bad things.

    This is just one of the bad things that happened during his administration, he plead ignorance but many programs I have seen on the subject suggest that he knew what was going on.

    "Iran-Contra Affair
    During his administration, there was a major scandal and investigation of his administration's covert support of wars in Iran and Nicaragua in what came to be known as the Iran-Contra Affair. Two members of administration, National Security Advisor John Poindexter and Col. Oliver North had hatched an elaborate plot to sell arms to the Iranian government and give the profits to the anti-Communist Contras guerillas in Nicaragua, who were engaged in a bloody civil war. Both actions were contrary to acts of Congress. Reagan professed ignorance of the plot, but admitted that he had supported the initial sale of arms to Iran, on the grounds that such sales were supposed to help secure the release of Americans being held hostage by the Iranian-backed Hezbollah terrorist group in Lebanon."

    Thats not saying that he didn't do any good things just that there were negative aspects under his presidency. I am not a communist I don't think communism can work just to clear that up. I am on the more liberal side of the political spectrum but not as extreme as communism.
 
 
 
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