they should raise the legal driving age to 18 Watch

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The age at which you can legally drive varies from country to country1, but in many places it is lower than 18. In some American states it is 15 or younger. Usually you are allowed to take a driving test a year or more before you can vote or drink alcohol. As young drivers are the ones most likely to have accidents2, from time to time there are calls to raise the driving age. In the past two years lawmakers in the US states of Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Illinois and Massachusetts have debated raising their driving age3, although these attempts are unlikely to change anything in the foreseeable future. The British government has also recently considered lifting the driving age in the UK from 17 to 184, although it seems unlikely to go ahead with this change.
This topic assumes that the age should be raised to 18, but the arguments will still work for any number higher than the present legal driving age in your state. Many European countries already have a driving age of 18, so they might debate raising it to 21. Most of the arguments will also work for a debate on limiting how young people can drive.





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I think that they should make the Driving Theory Test and Practical Driving Test much more vigorous, but still allow 17 year olds to drive.
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Nah, some people live miles away from everything and simply can't rely on lifts and public transport all the time at 17. This is why the driving ages are so low in America: everyone lives miles away from everything.

If anything something should be done about the often prohibitive costs of insurance for 17 year olds. Normally I'd say leave it to the market, but that has been distorted by the fact that insurance is mandatory.
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No leave it the way it is.
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18 is more suitable IMHO for a Londoner cars are not really needed. My physics teacher is 38 and his not even done his driving test.
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Young drivers have more accidents because they have much less experience, not because they are less mature. Raise the driving age to 18 and they'll have even less experience, and consequently be even more likely to be dangerous.

A better solution would be to change it so that you have to be learning for at least a year before you can take the practical test. Maybe they could also introduce more licence categories, so that for example a stricter version of the Pass Plus is compulsory before you can drive at night or on the motorway.

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Young drivers have more accidents because they have much less experience, not because they are less mature. Raise the driving age to 18 and they'll have even less experience, and consequently be even more likely to be dangerous.

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Really? How do you measure that?

In my experience (of myself and friends) we all drove like total idiots when we were young. Through immaturity, not inexperience.
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Really? How do you measure that?

In my experience (of myself and friends) we all drove like total idiots when we were young. Through immaturity, not inexperience.
Lots of people drive like idiots in empty car parks or on suburban streets at night when nobody is around, but that's not necessarily the same as being dangerous. Nobody is likely to be badly hurt if they crash under those circumstances.

My concern here is with high-speed roads and country lanes, where most road casualties occur. It's here that experience is very important for avoiding accidents. Immaturity isn't so much a factor, because it takes an even higher standard of idiocy than usual to be deliberately dangerous on those sorts of roads.


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(Original post by TimmonaPortella)
Nah, some people live miles away from everything and simply can't rely on lifts and public transport all the time at 17. This is why the driving ages are so low in America: everyone lives miles away from everything.

If anything something should be done about the often prohibitive costs of insurance for 17 year olds. Normally I'd say leave it to the market, but that has been distorted by the fact that insurance is mandatory.
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nah
17 is kind of high.
in america it's sometimes multiple years lower than 17 and they seem to do okay
it's the same with speed limits
germany has no speed limits on motorways yet they don't have higher rates of fatal crashes
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Britain has some of the safest roads in the world. I don't think imposing additional restrictions with the suggestion that this will improve safety is really a priority.

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I think that they should make the Driving Theory Test and Practical Driving Test much more vigorous, but still allow 17 year olds to drive.
We already have a rigorous testing system. There's no great flaw in it. You cannot test for irresponsible or reckless behaviour once someone is not being monitored, and equally no amount of rigour in the testing system will change that new drivers are less experienced.
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(Original post by Arbolus)
Young drivers have more accidents because they have much less experience, not because they are less mature. Raise the driving age to 18 and they'll have even less experience, and consequently be even more likely to be dangerous.

A better solution would be to change it so that you have to be learning for at least a year before you can take the practical test. Maybe they could also introduce more licence categories, so that for example a stricter version of the Pass Plus is compulsory before you can drive at night or on the motorway.

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Agreed, except for the 2nd part.

Experience is what makes you a good driver. Raising the driving age just delays getting that experience, which is just pointless.

The 2nd part is unnecessary and would be difficult to organise. If you are capable of passing a driving test after just a few months (if you drive around with your parents while you're also having lessons, that's not unrealistic) you should be able to drive.

Loads of bad young drivers know how to drive properly from lessons, they just don't want to because driving everywhere fast is more "fun". More restrictions on driving tests won't change that. A better solution is to be much stricter with things like driving bans when found driving irresponsibly or dangerously.
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being a **** driver has nothing to do with age once your feet can touch the pedals, wtf is this?
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(Original post by Arbolus)
Young drivers have more accidents because they have much less experience, not because they are less mature.
I don't think this is true. From what I can recall, accident rates are generally higher in inexperienced young drivers compared to older inexperienced drivers. A great deal of accidents occur not due to experience but due to over-confidence.
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I don't think this is true. From what I can recall, accident rates are generally higher in inexperienced young drivers compared to older inexperienced drivers. A great deal of accidents occur not due to experience but due to over-confidence.
This. I'm actually surprised at the number of people claiming that age has NO bearing on it.

If 2 people pass their tests, one aged 40 and the other 17, which is more likely to drive around at very high speeds and take dangerous risks? Come on.
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A lot of 17 year olds need their cars to get to their jobs. We can't on one hand say we need more young people to take up on-the-job learning instead of staying on at school when they're not suited for it, and on the other hand say to them that there won't in-fact be any way for them to get to said job.
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(Original post by e aí rapaz)
Really? How do you measure that?

In my experience (of myself and friends) we all drove like total idiots when we were young. Through immaturity, not inexperience.
I'd say it is a combination.
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Sounds good to me. What do i sign

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This. I'm actually surprised at the number of people claiming that age has NO bearing on it.

If 2 people pass their tests, one aged 40 and the other 17, which is more likely to drive around at very high speeds and take dangerous risks? Come on.
Well obviously, but I still fail to see how raising the age to 18 will make a blind bit of difference. Are we really to believe that somebody who is a reckless idiot at 17 will magically become responsible and fit to drive the second they turn 18?
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Well obviously, but I still fail to see how raising the age to 18 will make a blind bit of difference. Are we really to believe that somebody who is a reckless idiot at 17 will magically become responsible and fit to drive the second they turn 18?
True.


...Maybe we should raise it to 21
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