Abortion

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Well plenty of things offend me but its legal! You get on with it.

Reply 521

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mr_person

Nice argument. You're clearly enrolled in The Sun's school of rational debate.

To respect for women (as I do) and read the Sun (as I do not) is not possible :p:

Reply 522

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The_Myth Leader

The majority of society is pro-life. Correct. You don't need to sway anyone? Sorry, you've lost me on that point.

It was a typo. I meant Pro-Choice, As well you know.

The majority of society shares the same views as me.

Reply 523

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Trigger

Well plenty of things offend me but its legal! You get on with it.

There is a difference between offending one individual and offending society.

Reply 524

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I think this thread prooves that society as a whole isnt offended. I havent met one person who is anti abortion apart from the 2 who were religious.

Reply 525

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Tufts

It was a typo. I meant Pro-Choice, As well you know.

Forgive me. How was I meant to know?

The majority of society shares the same views as me.

The majority of people in Germany shared the same views as Hitler.

Reply 526

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Trigger

I think this thread prooves that society as a whole isnt offended. I havent met one person who is anti abortion apart from the 2 who were religious.

One thread does not prove anything, and certainly does not reflect the whole of society. The ethical debate continues to this day.

Reply 527

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Oh thats hardly fair is it. And if you had done History as a lesson then you would know many people didnt agree with Hitler they mearly gave the impression they did. But lets not turn it into a history debate eh?

Reply 528

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The_Myth Leader

One thread does not prove anything, and certainly does not reflect the whole of society. The ethical debate continues to this day.

Of course it does, the same as the fox hunting debate and anyother debate that has people from either side tryin gto impose thier misguided views on others.

Reply 529

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The_Myth Leader

Forgive me. How was I meant to know?

I forgive you :biggrin:

The_Myth Leader

There is a difference between offending one individual and offending society.

But society is pro-choice. Laws are created my the majorioty in parliament. The public votes for whom they want in parliament.

Reply 530

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ForumFreak

If my mother had been forced to have me then yes I would feel guilty about all the morning sickness, pre eclampsia and labor pain she went through to have me. No one should be forced to have a baby.

And nor should people see abortion as a get-out clause for their mistakes. Some people put a value in potential life. Admittedly sometimes the pregnancy is not their fault. I personally have sympathy for them and sometimes see abortion as acceptable. But it is not always acceptable in my opinion.

Reply 531

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Tufts

But society is pro-choice. Laws are created my the majorioty in parliament. The public votes for whom they want in parliament.

And currently parliament has put in regulations for abortion. Doubtlessly it will be challenged once more in the future. I am only voicing my opinion on abortion. It is right that we continue to challenge these moral questions. I'm glad you see that it is not purely down to the woman involved.

PS: Quite a lot of people on D&D will tell you just how much 'democracy' in this country is flawed.

Reply 532

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Trigger

Of course it does, the same as the fox hunting debate and anyother debate that has people from either side tryin gto impose thier misguided views on others.

Misguided? What makes you say that? I will re-iterate that one thread does not reflect the whole of society's view. It simply cannot.

Reply 533

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Trigger

Oh thats hardly fair is it. And if you had done History as a lesson then you would know many people didnt agree with Hitler they mearly gave the impression they did. But lets not turn it into a history debate eh?

I do history. Many supported Hitler. The media is a powerful tool. Which is why we should question ethical issues open-mindedly.

Reply 534

20

Anyways this thread is going nowhere. :frown:

Reply 535

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The_Myth Leader

PS: Quite a lot of people on D&D will tell you just how much 'democracy' in this country is flawed.

As a lawyer I understand our democratic system, if you can call it that. The West Lothian problem boils my piss :mad:

But I wont bore you with that off-topic rant :p:

Reply 536

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What did you expect? Its a question with an answer that is different for everyone. No one will ever be right or wrong as its a personal choice. It shouldnt be up to anyone what i do as long as its legal. If i want 100 abortions thats no ones business but my own and my partners to a certain extent.

Reply 537

ForumFreak

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Why should a woman whose contraception has failed be forced into having a baby?

Reply 538

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Trigger

What did you expect? Its a question with an answer that is different for everyone. No one will ever be right or wrong as its a personal choice.

I was expecting some reasonble debate so that we can understand each other's views and hopefully find some compromises in the process. To much to expect I suppose.

It shouldnt be up to anyone what i do as long as its legal.

That's precisely what we're disputing. Should it be legal? There is no question that if it is legal then you're technically entitled to do it (unless you consider the morality to be wrong).

If i want 100 abortions thats no ones business but my own and my partners to a certain extent.

That's the point. Abortion is a sensitive issue. I'm am bored of saying this. Of course it is someone else's business! It is not just you involved. There is potential life involved. It is a highly disputed ethical question that the mother cannot answer for herself. Society needs to deem whether killing the potential life is wrong in order for it to be made legal or illegal.

Personally I don't think it is right that the mother has a higher role in deciding whether the baby should be aborted than the father, after all, the baby is part of him as well. Sure the baby is inside the mother. But if they didnt want the baby they shouldn't have been so careless. The father has feelings as well. Just because the baby is inside the mother does not make it the mother's possession. It is potential life we are talking about here. However, that is a side issue.

Reply 539