Abortion

Life begins at conception? It's just an arbitrary line isn't it?

If you believe that, then you're almost also saying that people can't wear condoms.

Anyway, I'd like to point out that women shouldn't be condemned for having an abortion as if it is an act of "murder". It's a very difficult decision for anyone to make.

ah this is such a sensitive issue.

Until you are in a situation where you are pregnant with a child you cannot feasibly keep (for whatever reason), how is it possible to know how you would cope? Many people get pregnant even though they use contraception. Others are raped. Some are just irresponsible and don't think of the consequences. I know people who have had abortions and it has severely affected them. It's not that they didn't want to keep the baby, but that they knew they couldn't in their situation. Had they had the baby, they would not have been able to part with it and put it up for adoption and the heart-wrenching decision of abortion was made.
There are also cases when the foetus has a desease or problems developing. Would you want to have a child that suffers all it's life.
Also, what about the lady pregnant with octuplets who refused to abort any of them, even though she knew they would all die if she didn't? By aborting 4 babies, she could have saved 4. Instead they all died.
I'm not saying any of this is right or wrong. But it would not be practical to ban abortions.

it's interesting that some people who insist that you shouldn't impose your 'morality' (or lack of) on the foetus, becuase it doesn't have a voice, or whatever, are the same people who will drag their children off to church from age 0, and warn them of the 'sins' they are committing if their child ever engages in pre-maritual sex, or homosexuality, completely removing any chance their children may have to infact form their own ideas of 'morality'.

Have you ever watched the greenmile, greenmile?

I don't think abortion is worng, I think everyone should have a choice as to whether they have a baby or not, but abortion isn't something that I would do.
However, I don't agree with people who use it as a form of contraception

Yes, it's where I got my name from.

It is a greater crime than murder, it is genocide.

I think I understand your argument for that. A lot of people will naturally put self-interests at heart when they decide on an abortion. People try to justify this by thinking the baby isn't human when it might have been. But the argument, that it is "murder" or "genocide" as you say involves too much guessing. When does life begin? Not everyone has the same views on that.

So do you have an opinion on killing innocent people?

I wonder what you think of stem cell research; because that must be a moral battle.

I would not wish to force my own opinion on other people, hence why I said I wasn't saying the situations I mentioned were either right or wrong. I was just trying to show both sides. I can understand both sides of the 'argument'.

I did cry when they electrocuted that bloke in the film though!

Sounds like classic genocide.

Why did you cry?

um... so thinking that the life of an unwanted, unconscious, unborn child is not particularly valuable amounts to genocide? right...

I think that not allowing abortions to women who've had unprotected sex (where rape isn't involved) is a bit harsh. yes, it was a stupid thing to do, yes, they should have used protection... but is it fair to them to have to live with the consequences of a poor decision for the rest of their lives? is it fair to the child? if they're not smart enough to use a condom, they probably don't have the capacity to raise a child, so chances are the child will be poorly raised - therefore abortion would be a better solution

No level headed person will dispute that the unborn is alive.

I was led to believe, in the last abortion thread which was locked only a week or so ago, that we weren't supposed to start abortion threads any more.

The unborn is alive if it is viable of surviving life outside of the womb. But, at conception, it is not wholly human; no more than you can call an acorn an oak tree.

Where does it say that in the rules?