Abortion

What YOU believe to be immoral IN THIS INSTANCE may not be considered immoral. Something like murder [as some of 'you' have been comparing abortion to] is generally seen by almost everyone as something immoral.

EDIT: This post was directed at AppleCrumble.

Women can become suicidal after being subjected to rape. Not always no, but sometimes.

i tihnk the rape issue depends entirely on the person. I know that personally I would not be strong enough to carry, give birth to and nurture the offspring of a man who raped me. Maybe I am a weak person, but if that kind of thing happened to me then I would rather not be reminded of it for the next 9 months and god knows how many years of my life. However, other people can do that and I have nothing but admiration for those women. Just I personally could not, and I doubt I am the only one. If it were the result of having sex with my fiance on the other hand I would not abort it, even if it meant that I couldn't complete my degree. As for why the distinction, well, a child with my fiance is a reminder of our love for each other, a child with a rapist is a reminder of degredation, fear and a terrible experience and I would not be strong enough to see the product of that event every day, nor to feel it growing inside me. I would probably kill myself before having that child. Perhaps I am weak, but that's just the way I think. We are all entitled to our personal feelings and preferences.

They seemed to touch on rape cases a few pages back but didn't really go into it in any detail so I would be quite interested to see what people's responses are. I can't believe some men on this thread have the audacity to call women who have been raped and abort their pregnancy morally weak! As if they could EVER put themselves in that situation. This is just another opportunity for emotionally-stunted men to fire off their authoritarian views about morals and what God wants.

I know, thanks, I was raped. But that doesn't answer my question....why is the zygote produced by a rape subjected to different morality than the zygote produced from consensual sex? If the unborn is totally innocent and should never be subjected to to our ideas about what is right and wrong, why does the nature of its conception change that?

just incase you ment me, i'm not against abortion, i was making the point that if you consider abortion murder, its still murder if the mother has been raped, and can you really murder someone to save a lot of grief. I won't pretend to know what it would be like, and i'm not calling them morally weak (because i don't think its murder) and in my opinion it is totally up to them.
I was just making the arguement that if you are for abortion when the mother has been raped, then you have already made it known that the unborn child does not really have to same rights as a normal person, and therefore abortion is not really murder.

Lol if it adds nothing to it then why mention it? Jennybean and i are not in the game of oneupmanship on whoes rape ordeal was worse

I was too. When I was 15 - by my then boyfriend and his 20 year old freakshow mate (no I didn't become pregnant thankfully).

That has nothing to do with this however.

Did you even read what I put on page 24?

Ah another rape victim Hope everything is good for you now. And i am well aware that my views on members are irrelevent and perhaps unfair but so are your ideas abotu who should decide what I do with MY body.

No i'm not. She was saying i understand becaue i was raped. Then you went in with your story. All im saying is if its irrelevant then why mention in detail your ordeal?

She didn't need to say "I know, thanks, I was raped"....firstly, why the thanks? sarcasm much?
secondly, a simple "I know" would have sufficed. I didn't need to know that she was raped in the first place.

It appeared by the sarcasm that she assumed she was the only person to know what it is like to go through. She wouldn't have even mentioned it otherwise.
Clearly, that is not the case - I too know what it is like - I thought I'd make that clear.

Additional details were not added for any particular reason other than the fact that I'm a vocal person.
Well, that and the fact that it didn't happen yesterday, so I thought I'd point that out. Hence the mention of age.

Why are you speaking for her anyway Trigger? She does have a keyboard of her own. I'm sure that she can address me personally.

I was simply asking you not to patronise everyone with statements like "women who have been raped sometimes become suicidal". I mean, tell us something we don't know.

And yes I read what you put on P.24, you said that you don't have to agree with abortion to have one in the case of rape, or "you can still think it's wrong to kill your baby even if you know that circumstances are going to push you into doing it". But what I am saying is that pro-lifers would have us believe that all women apart from rape victims should have their right to make this decision removed; therefore I question their logic, i.e. that the baby has a right to life equal to the mother's, because surely that right to life (if it exists) should remain unchanged regardless of the nature of its conception? If abortion is excusable in some cases (i.e. the mother's rights can override the baby's SOMETIMES) then where do you draw the line and who gets to say where that line is? You forget we are dealing with people who want to change the law here, this is not just an arbitrary debate.

A person who carelessly has sex then expects an abortion is something I believe society should frown on - denying something that would otherwise live from having life. With rape no one is in the wrong except the rapist. The woman should not have to expect to have a baby.

I really, genuinely cannot stand the kind of authoritarian snobs who honestly believe that every woman who has an abortion was just too thick to put a condom on her partner's dick. How on earth do you know that they didn't take every reasonable precaution and were just failed by the contraception? No method is 100% and I for one know several couples who (albeit married and able to give their children loving, stable homes) have no idea how they managed to conceive a child when they did.