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Reply 60

Greenmile
Because I liked him and thought Tom Hanks should have saved him! But, you know, his best friend is a football, so what do you expect really?

I am an emotional person, what more can I say?

You are trying to get me to say I am against the killing of innocents! I refuse to comment.:biggrin:


You refuse to say that you are against the killing of innocent humans!!

Reply 61

XenaGlamRocker
I never said anything about it saying that in the rules. I said I was led it to believe from the previous locked abortion thread.

Look at the last post on the last page here:

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=338344&page=59

all my views are in that thread also - I shan't participate in this particular abortion thread - the last one ended up so ridiculously. My views are there for all to read in any case.


Why did you comment?
Martin Daugherty
Why did you comment?


I thought you might not have been aware of what was said in the previous thread - so I thought I'd inform you. No other reason.

Reply 63

Martin Daugherty
How much human is it?


Well, initially, the only individuality would be genetic. Once the baby is no longer "it" then it would be human. But I'm not an embryologist so...:rolleyes:

Reply 64

I never said anything about it saying that in the rules. I said I was led it to believe from the previous locked abortion thread.

Look at the last post on the last page here:

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...338344&page=59

all my views are in that thread also - I shan't participate in this particular abortion thread - the last one ended up so ridiculously. My views are there for all to read in any case.


It only got ridiculous in the last few comments, which were only light-hearted. We should be allowed to debate these issues. Remember that this is 'Have your say', so maybe we'll get away with it - what with different moderators patrolling this area etc. Surely we can discuss about such a debatable issue?

Incidently, who else thinks that this is just like 'debate and discussion'? That osn't a bad thing by the way: 'debate and discussion' rules. :smile:

Reply 65

Martin Daugherty
How much human is it?


It has the capacity to become human, just as an acorn has the capacity to become a tree. However, stating that an embryo is a proper human is the same as stating that an acorn is a tree. They're clearly not.

Martin Daugherty
You refuse to say that you are against the killing of innocent humans!!


The killing of innocent people was what you originally said, I think. That is why she can cry at the Green Mile and be in favour of an abortion, because one is a person and the other isn't.

Part of the problem is that "human" has a rather fuzzy definition, so you can argue endlessly about when something becomes human. But at the same time, there's loads of dodgy thinking, which states that acorns are the same as trees etc. etc.

Myself, I'm in favour of abortion.

Reply 66

Lucia.
Well, initially, the only individuality would be genetic. Once the baby is no longer "it" then it would be human. But I'm not an embryologist so...



That does not make much sense.

Are you going to dispute that the unborn is a human being?

Reply 67

Are you going to dispute that an acorn is a tree?

Reply 68

Martin Daugherty
That does not make much sense.

Are you going to dispute that the unborn is a human being?


I'm trying to say that initially the unborn is just an individual genetically. Once it develops rudimentary organs and begins to move then it is most definitely human. But much more about human identity is defined outside of the womb.

When a woman goes through an abortion, she does not think she is killing a child. She is preventing a pregnancy.

As burntgorilla has said above the definition of what is human is "fuzzy".

There are too many questions about what constitutes human life and what doesn't.

Reply 69

Martin Daugherty
You refuse to say that you are against the killing of innocent humans!!

No, I refuse to comment. I didn't mention 'humans' only innocents. And only in the context that you were trying to get me to comment.

Reply 70

burntgorilla

The killing of innocent people was what you originally said, I think. That is why she can cry at the Green Mile and be in favour of an abortion, because one is a person and the other isn't.

I never said I was in favour of abortion.

(But neither did I say I wasn't)

Reply 71

I'm just infuriated by people who have sex irresponsibly, get pregnant, and just expect an abortion. It just infuriates me.

Abortion should only be allowed for women who have been raped, or need abortions to save their lives (i.e. no alternative). I think abortion should be allowed for those obvious cases.

But for contraception?! What right does a foolish teenager have to take away a potential human beings life without a just reason other than she 'just wanted a good time'? It's not right.

Incidentally, I agree with stem cell research so long as the eggs would have been discarded anyway. It is going towards a good medical cause and could potentially save lives.

Reply 72

The_Myth Leader
I'm just infuriated by people who have sex irresponsibly, get pregnant, and just expect an abortion. It just infuriates me.

Quite rightly. I do not believe it should be used as a form of 'post-contraception' as the OP said.


Incidentally, I agree with stem cell research so long as the eggs would have been discarded anyway. It is going towards a good medical cause and could potentially save lives.

I am afraid Mr Bush ("the French don't have a word for entrepreneur" - who put this guy in charge of a whole country?) doesn't agree with you.

Stem cell research could lead to a cure for many diseases including cancer and alzheimer's disease. I would be interested in the OP's take on this.

Reply 73

The_Myth Leader
I'm just infuriated by people who have sex irresponsibly, get pregnant, and just expect an abortion. It just infuriates me.


Yes, I know what you mean. It goes by the argument that if people are mature enough to have sex, then they should be mature enough to deal with the consequences. Abortion should be a last resort.

The_Myth Leader
allowed for women who have been raped, or need abortions to save their lives (i.e. no alternative). I think abortion should be allowed for those obvious cases.


Agreed.

The_Myth Leader
But for contraception?! What right does a foolish teenager have to take away a potential human beings life without a just reason other than she 'just wanted a good time'? It's not right.


hmm I'm not in favour of abortion in all circumstances. People have different opinions about what constitutes human life. I don't think I would go through with an abortion unless in the exceptional circumstances you've described. However I don't think we should ban abortion. I don't think that would be the right way to go about it. It should be up to individual choice. I think you've put your point across very well. It shows you truly appreciate what human life means and I really respect you for that. :smile:

Abortion is painful :frown:

Incidentally, I agree with stem cell research so long as the eggs would have been discarded anyway. It is going towards a good medical cause and could potentially save lives.


Quite...

Reply 74

burntgorilla
Are you going to dispute that an acorn is a tree?


Interesting. No, an acorn is certainly not a tree. However it has the potential to become a tree. Regardless of this the difficult question remains. When does the acorn become a tree? When it grows its first roots? Maybe we should just say we should not kill an acorn because it could become a magnificient tree. I would much rather kill a tree that has lived a long time on the earth and had glorious experiences than an acorn that has yet to embark on its magnificient journey (quote of the day). I'm sure you can understand the point I'm making. Regardless of this, comparing humans to trees is futile in my opinion. Certainly an interesting point though.

Reply 75

Greenmile

I am afraid Mr Bush ("the French don't have a word for entrepreneur" - who put this guy in charge of a whole country?) doesn't agree with you.

Stem cell research could lead to a cure for many diseases including cancer and alzheimer's disease. I would be interested in the OP's take on this.


Lol. I live in the UK. I'm not quite sure on the rules in the UK regarding this matter, however I live near a place where stem cell research is happening.

Reply 76

Lucia.
Yes, I know what you mean. It goes by the argument that if people are mature enough to have sex, then they should be mature enough to deal with the consequences. Abortion should be a last resort.


hmm I'm not in favour of abortion in all circumstances. People have different opinions about what constitutes human life. I don't think I would go through with an abortion unless in the exceptional circumstances you've described. However I don't think we should ban abortion. I don't think that would be the right way to go about it. It should be up to individual choice. I think you've put your point across very well. It shows you truly appreciate what human life means and I really respect you for that. :smile:




Banning abortion would be a bad move. People do have legitimate reasons for having abortions.

Reply 77

Love Life is that you?

If so I still stand by my argument comparing abortion to refusing under go a live organ donation.

Reply 78

The_Myth Leader
I'm just infuriated by people who have sex irresponsibly, get pregnant, and just expect an abortion. It just infuriates me.


I can understand that. Perhaps abortion should be made more difficult so that it is not seen as an easy solution. But then that has the possibility that people will go to back street abortionists. Do people actually see abortion as a quick and easy procedure, or do they dither over it? I don't know.

Greenmile
I never said I was in favour of abortion.

(But neither did I say I wasn't)


Sorry, didn't mean to put words into your mouth.

The_Myth Leader
Interesting. No, an acorn is certainly not a tree. However it has the potential to become a tree. Regardless of this the difficult question remains. When does the acorn become a tree? When it grows its first roots? Maybe we should just say we should not kill an acorn because it could become a magnificient tree. I would much rather kill a tree that has lived a long time on the earth and had glorious experiences than an acorn that has yet to embark on its magnificient journey (quote of the day). I'm sure you can understand the point I'm making. Regardless of this, comparing humans to trees is futile in my opinion. Certainly an interesting point though.


Why isn't it a valid comparison? They are both similar in that there is no set moment at which having the capacity to be something becomes the same as actually being that thing.

Reply 79

Love Life is that you?

If so I still stand by my argument comparing abortion to refusing under go a live organ donation.


I'm intrigued, do explain...

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