Abortion

Righty, I've had my 20 week scan today. I know Tufts ESPECIALLY wants to see them, so I thought I really HAD to post them

May I present to you:










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My SON




(or is that "my blob of cells" ? )

By the way the reason they are blurry is because he was wriggling so much - wouldn't stay still for the pics!

AnthonyJim71 are you pro choice or pro life? I cant remember. Its been a long thread.

Also, you may want to edit our your name and D/O/B and the hospital and stuff...

thanks to those of you who congratulated me.

by the way to everybody who thinks that I posted my pics as "emotional blackmail"
dream on....I'm just excited about my baby and wanted to share my joy....geez no harm in that is there? can't you all just be happy for me? sheesh.



honestly it doesn't matter much to me - there's so much stuff plastered about me all over the net it hardly makes any difference.

i really pleased for you Xena i am afraid you going to get people who put you down dont listen to them you know you're a better person to stand up for yourself against them your scan has does make everyone smile for sure!..

You should be sorry Jenny because I find people who can't engage in a debate without getting personal highly offensive. I am Irish and have never even seen the Daily Mail never mind read it. You have no idea what my politics are so inferring that I'm right wing or upper middle class from the views I hold is very unhelpful. Delivering what you obviously meant as insult (the Daily Mail comment) with a wink is cheesy and frankly makes my skin crawl.

I don't see the point of bringing this up - surely if contraception is so reliable then it doesn't make sense to say a significant proportion of the 181,000 or so abortions every year is an accident? In that case, doesn't it mean that the majority of those seeking abortions weren't using contraception?
I'm aware that contraception is generally quite effective.

And Jenny, can I ask, why were you sleeping with someone whom you obviously didn't know very well at the age of 16? I suppose I come from a different background, but at the age of 18 I and all my friends were virgins and we were proud of it. And yes I would expect someone to know a great deal about their partner before sleeping with them no matter what age they are. I think people only live up to the expectations we have for them, so if we expect teenagers to have sex irresponsibly then that's exactly what they'll do.

Oh and Alasdair also, thanks for your contribution to the neg repping! Nice to see others resorting to such immature methods of debate. Your neg repping means absolutely nothing to me; I just find people who use it as a weapon instead of debate incredibly idiotic.

I think that's exactly the problem. The pro-abortionist view seems to be that everyone should be having as much sex as they want with whomever they want. I see sex as a very intimate act that you only engage in with someone you're very very close to (ideally in love with) and whom you know very well. Someone who knows you well enough to know what you would do if you got pregnant. I don't think sex is an essential part of daily living, and I think if people aren't mature enough to deal with the possible consequences of sex, then they obviously aren't mature enough to be having sex in the first place. I honestly think 16 is way way too young to be in a sexual relationship and that it's no wonder Jenny's boyfriend freaked out - he was obviously not emotionally invested in the relationship and the sex was just a fun activity to him. Well taking drugs is a fun activity, but it has consequences, as does having sex. When I started having sex with my fiance I knew he'd stand by me, and when we did have a scare, he was hugely supportive and made me cry by saying "Of course it's not the right time, but when could I ever pass up the chance of having a family with you?"
That's the kind of relationship where sex means something.
I have more respect for myself than to have sex with someone who only wants to use my body.

And Jenny, can I ask, why were you sleeping with someone whom you obviously didn't know very well at the age of 16? I suppose I come from a different background, but at the age of 18 I and all my friends were virgins and we were proud of it. And yes I would expect someone to know a great deal about their partner before sleeping with them no matter what age they are. I think people only live up to the expectations we have for them, so if we expect teenagers to have sex irresponsibly then that's exactly what they'll do.

thanks to those of you who congratulated me.

by the way to everybody who thinks that I posted my pics as "emotional blackmail"
dream on....I'm just excited about my baby and wanted to share my joy....geez no harm in that is there? can't you all just be happy for me? sheesh.

Well couldn't you have just posted the pics without also using the opportunity to making cheap digs at Tufts?

Indeed. But this is a debate thread about abortion.

people take things way too seriously around here.

we talk a lot about foetuses and babies in here.

you can't say that photos of a baby in the womb are totally out of context.

I don't think his point was that the pictures were out of context, but that, as this is a debate thread on abortion, you should not be surprised if people aren't "all just happy for you"...

I don't see why not.
Isn't the whole point of pro-choice that the woman has the right to CHOOSE whether or not to keep the baby?

As I am very happy keeping my baby, why, then, should they not be happy for me?

Or are you going to tell me now that pro-choice is actually pro-death, and that people are going to be pissed off that I'm having a baby?

Or are you going to tell me now that pro-choice is actually pro-death, and that people are going to be pissed off that I'm having a baby?