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Reply 1360

XenaGlamRocker
Righty, I've had my 20 week scan today. I know Tufts ESPECIALLY wants to see them, so I thought I really HAD to post them :wink:

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My SON

:biggrin:


(or is that "my blob of cells" ? :wink: )

By the way the reason they are blurry is because he was wriggling so much - wouldn't stay still for the pics!


Presisely right Xena congrats on your baby the scan is alright even though was moving about a bit but how can someone not want to keep it when they see this totally shockes and surprises me but what do i know about anything today!..

Reply 1361

AnthonyJim71 are you pro choice or pro life? I cant remember. Its been a long thread.

Reply 1362

ForumFreak
AnthonyJim71 are you pro choice or pro life? I cant remember. Its been a long thread.


im pro choice in that what ever the girl feels she wantsto do for the best for both herself and her unborn baby i really would totally support her choice what ever she does..
thanks to those of you who congratulated me.

by the way to everybody who thinks that I posted my pics as "emotional blackmail" :rolleyes:
dream on....I'm just excited about my baby and wanted to share my joy....geez no harm in that is there? can't you all just be happy for me? sheesh.

alasdair_R
Also, you may want to edit our your name and D/O/B and the hospital and stuff...


honestly it doesn't matter much to me - there's so much stuff plastered about me all over the net it hardly makes any difference.

Reply 1364

XenaGlamRocker
thanks to those of you who congratulated me.

by the way to everybody who thinks that I posted my pics as "emotional blackmail" :rolleyes:
dream on....I'm just excited about my baby and wanted to share my joy....geez no harm in that is there? can't you all just be happy for me? sheesh.



honestly it doesn't matter much to me - there's so much stuff plastered about me all over the net it hardly makes any difference.


i really pleased for you Xena i am afraid you going to get people who put you down dont listen to them you know you're a better person to stand up for yourself against them your scan has does make everyone smile for sure!..
Anthonyjm71
i really pleased for you Xena i am afraid you going to get people who put you down dont listen to them you know you're a better person to stand up for yourself against them your scan has does make everyone smile for sure!..


:smile: thanks

I just wanted to share my happiness....and yes an abortion thread was maybe a controversial place to put it, but we talk about foetuses and babies so darned much in here it seemed sort of fitting lol.

Reply 1366

XenaGlamRocker
by the way to everybody who thinks that I posted my pics as "emotional blackmail" :rolleyes:
dream on....I'm just excited about my baby and wanted to share my joy....geez no harm in that is there? can't you all just be happy for me? sheesh.
Well couldn't you have just posted the pics without also using the opportunity to making cheap digs at Tufts?

Reply 1367

Seoid
You should be sorry Jenny because I find people who can't engage in a debate without getting personal highly offensive. I am Irish and have never even seen the Daily Mail never mind read it. You have no idea what my politics are so inferring that I'm right wing or upper middle class from the views I hold is very unhelpful. Delivering what you obviously meant as insult (the Daily Mail comment) with a wink is cheesy and frankly makes my skin crawl.


OH NOES!! I MADE YOUR SKIN CRAWL!! You and the myth leader need to grow the hell up I'm afraid. This is an INTERNET FORUM. It comes as part of the package that people are going to be far more abrupt than they would be in real life and care a hell of a lot less about offending you. If you don't want your views to be ripped apart, or receive negative rep for saying things other people find offensive, don't make them public. I am fully prepared for the conservative faction telling me I am an immoral, foolish liberal for advocating doing what the hell we all like as long as it causes no harm. I would never pretend to be shocked about having my left wing views insulted on TSR. If you don't want to be called a stuffy conservative you shouldn't fire off about prohibition! Just because you've never read the Daily Mail doesn't mean your views don't correlate with the ones it expresses and perpetuates. I never implied anything about your personal politics, hence the verb phrase "sounds like" as opposed to the verb phrase "is". I simply commented on your views reminding me very strongly of common headlines used by papers like the Mail and intended to stir up hysteria and appeal to the permanently outraged of middle England. I am deeply sorry if you are Irish and therefore do not belong to this section of society (?!) but I fail to see how that means that what I said is personally offensive. You STILL have not backed up your views that people in countries where abortion is legal have a flippant attitude or use it a form of additional contraception, despite me asking you specifically for respectable anecdotal evidence, quotations or figures. If you can't provide these then just admit it's your own unfounded opinion and stop trying to create distractions.

Oh and ffs Myth Leader, earlier in this thread you accused Trigger of "looking for soundbites" rather than listening to your argument when she made a half joke that when backed into a corner, pro-lifers just scream "sex is wrong, sex is wrong", but you and Seoid have just admitted that you have extremely conservative views on sex and would seek to be authoritarian about when and where people should be allowed to have sex....choose a stance. Either you are a trendy lefty and don't see a problem with people having sex as and when they choose, in which case, yes Trigger was just looking for soundbites, OR you are a bit right and uptight and think people should only be allowed to have sex when they're in a committed relationship, anything else is frankly just horrid and degrading the brill moral fibres of our society, and Trig pretty much hit the nail on the head. You can't have your cake and eat it.

Reply 1368

Seoid
I don't see the point of bringing this up - surely if contraception is so reliable then it doesn't make sense to say a significant proportion of the 181,000 or so abortions every year is an accident? In that case, doesn't it mean that the majority of those seeking abortions weren't using contraception?
I'm aware that contraception is generally quite effective.

And Jenny, can I ask, why were you sleeping with someone whom you obviously didn't know very well at the age of 16? I suppose I come from a different background, but at the age of 18 I and all my friends were virgins and we were proud of it. And yes I would expect someone to know a great deal about their partner before sleeping with them no matter what age they are. I think people only live up to the expectations we have for them, so if we expect teenagers to have sex irresponsibly then that's exactly what they'll do.


I think I posted it because a lot of people were arguing in such a way that seemed to indicate that sex automatically equals becoming pregnant, which it doesn't.

Reply 1369

The_Myth Leader
Oh and Alasdair also, thanks for your contribution to the neg repping! Nice to see others resorting to such immature methods of debate. Your neg repping means absolutely nothing to me; I just find people who use it as a weapon instead of debate incredibly idiotic.


What conveniently forget to mention is my reasons for neg-repping you, which I gave in the (signed, by the way) comment - I don't like it when people whinge about being neg-repped. It has nothing to do with your attitude towards abortion, which, until I looked back through the thread, I couldn't even remember...

Reply 1370

Seoid
I think that's exactly the problem. The pro-abortionist view seems to be that everyone should be having as much sex as they want with whomever they want. I see sex as a very intimate act that you only engage in with someone you're very very close to (ideally in love with) and whom you know very well. Someone who knows you well enough to know what you would do if you got pregnant. I don't think sex is an essential part of daily living, and I think if people aren't mature enough to deal with the possible consequences of sex, then they obviously aren't mature enough to be having sex in the first place. I honestly think 16 is way way too young to be in a sexual relationship and that it's no wonder Jenny's boyfriend freaked out - he was obviously not emotionally invested in the relationship and the sex was just a fun activity to him. Well taking drugs is a fun activity, but it has consequences, as does having sex. When I started having sex with my fiance I knew he'd stand by me, and when we did have a scare, he was hugely supportive and made me cry by saying "Of course it's not the right time, but when could I ever pass up the chance of having a family with you?"
That's the kind of relationship where sex means something.
I have more respect for myself than to have sex with someone who only wants to use my body.


Why shouldn't people have as much sex as they like? As we've mentioned, if you're on the pill and use condoms, the effectiveness rate is somewhere aproaching five-nines...

Also, as I've mentioned so many times before, having an abortion is dealing with the consequences of having sex.

I've slept with a significant number of people (I'll tell you how many if you really want to ask, but I'm not about to post it needlessly), very few of whom I've had an emotional investment in, I've never made anybody pregnant, nor caught or transmitted an STI, nor (as far as I know) hurt anybody. Is there any reason other than your silly moralising that I shouldn't continue?

Reply 1371

Seoid
And Jenny, can I ask, why were you sleeping with someone whom you obviously didn't know very well at the age of 16? I suppose I come from a different background, but at the age of 18 I and all my friends were virgins and we were proud of it. And yes I would expect someone to know a great deal about their partner before sleeping with them no matter what age they are. I think people only live up to the expectations we have for them, so if we expect teenagers to have sex irresponsibly then that's exactly what they'll do.


Where the hell do you get off? You just accused me of making this personal and then you have the nerve to ask me that? How the hell do YOU know how well I knew the guy in question? As it happens, when the magical midnight transformation into an arsehole occurred, we had been together for the best part of a year, and were in a relationship which up til that point seemed serious and committed, not that it is ANY of your business. If that is "obviously not knowing someone very well" then I dread to think how long it would take to get to know them. Frankly I have my own views on people who are "virgins and proud of it at 18" but I would never have the audacity to make them public and act like I was the unquestionable authority, least of all without extreme provocation. Unless it were to affect you personally and directly, you have no right to tell people who they should have sex with, when, were, or whether it is irresponsible. If you genuinely think you have a right to be dictating the ins and outs (literally) of someone's personal life then I think you need a hobby.

Reply 1372

XenaGlamRocker
thanks to those of you who congratulated me.

by the way to everybody who thinks that I posted my pics as "emotional blackmail" :rolleyes:
dream on....I'm just excited about my baby and wanted to share my joy....geez no harm in that is there? can't you all just be happy for me? sheesh.


Indeed. But this is a debate thread about abortion.
King Hippo
Well couldn't you have just posted the pics without also using the opportunity to making cheap digs at Tufts?


it was only a joke....he was the one who said that if I posted my scan pics he would vomit, so with that plus his never ending cries of "xena always goes on about being a mother". I thought I'd make a lighthearted comment about the pics being for his benefit.

I didn't say anything insulting - you can't argue that I did.

people take things way too seriously around here.
Tufts
Indeed. But this is a debate thread about abortion.


we talk a lot about foetuses and babies in here.

you can't say that photos of a baby in the womb are totally out of context.

Reply 1375

XenaGlamRocker
people take things way too seriously around here.

:smile:

Here you go, this might be helpful:

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/287950.html

Reply 1376

XenaGlamRocker
we talk a lot about foetuses and babies in here.

you can't say that photos of a baby in the womb are totally out of context.


I don't think his point was that the pictures were out of context, but that, as this is a debate thread on abortion, you should not be surprised if people aren't "all just happy for you"...
alasdair_R
I don't think his point was that the pictures were out of context, but that, as this is a debate thread on abortion, you should not be surprised if people aren't "all just happy for you"...


I don't see why not.
Isn't the whole point of pro-choice that the woman has the right to CHOOSE whether or not to keep the baby?

As I am very happy keeping my baby, why, then, should they not be happy for me?

Or are you going to tell me now that pro-choice is actually pro-death, and that people are going to be pissed off that I'm having a baby?

Reply 1378

XenaGlamRocker
I don't see why not.
Isn't the whole point of pro-choice that the woman has the right to CHOOSE whether or not to keep the baby?

As I am very happy keeping my baby, why, then, should they not be happy for me?

Or are you going to tell me now that pro-choice is actually pro-death, and that people are going to be pissed off that I'm having a baby?


No, but people will say things like - I don't care that your feotus looks quite like a real person, I still think people should be allowed to abort the thing...

And, quite frankly, people will also say things like - Putting up pictures showing your feotus looking quite like a real person doesn't make your argument any more valid...

Both of which are fair points to make in a thread debating Abortion, and you shouldn't then be all suprised when they are made.

Reply 1379

XenaGlamRocker


Or are you going to tell me now that pro-choice is actually pro-death, and that people are going to be pissed off that I'm having a baby?


No. What we're pissed off about is your constant viewing of the world through your own tinted lenses, unable to comprehend that other people may have a slightly different experience. Your world revolves around breeding. Many other people are not like you, and yet you insist on pushing your views upon them - "People shouldn't have an abortion in X circumstance". Resorting to posting pictures of your children on a public message board whilst debating abortion is ill-advised at best. It shows you have little substance to your argument. I dont see any pro-lifers with an ounce of credit posting up photographs of their offspring/siblings/nephiews. It distorts your position and reduces your credibility.

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