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Tufts
Why would we care? It's not like we're your friends or that we even know you.


Then why should my posting photos enduce ANY sort of reaction from you, be it positive OR negative?

If you really didn't give a ******, you wouldn't be so negative towards me all the time.

ETA: when you have good news to share you are so happy that you want to shout it out from the rooftops - or have you never had good news before?

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XenaGlamRocker
The interesting thing about all this is that I really don't care whether or not any of you think that my baby looks like a baby or not, or indeed whether you agree that it is or it isn't.

I didn't post the pictures to "add substance to my argument".

I am very capable of adding substance to my argument without posting pictures thanks.

I posted them because I'm proud of them - and I wanted to share the rather exciting news that I'm having a son.

It is interesting to see what both sides make to this though....the pro-lifers are very supportive and congratulate me, whereas the pro-choicers are largely very insulting and have to resort to accusing me of "revolving my world around breeding".
(which, by the way, is laughable....do you see 15 children swarming around me? Would you say that all women with 2 children revolve their life around breeding? How many of you are only children I wonder?)

Quite frankly the insults don't bother me one bit. It's fairly amusing to see how one set of people can be so nice, and another set of people can be so rude.


I'm pro-choice, and I don't see how I've been insulting about it.

I don't feel the need to congratulate you on being pregnant because I have no idea who you are, and the fact that the persona somebody who I talk to on the internet adopts (and I'm not implying you're not who you say you are, I'm just making a point about the internet), is pregnant means very little to me.

But for what it's worth, if you want the thing and are happy about it's being inside you, good stuff...

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XenaGlamRocker
It's fairly amusing to see how one set of people can be so nice, and another set of people can be so rude.


It doesnt surprise me in the slightest that you feel that way. Afterall the world is very black and white to you.

Reply 1403

XenaGlamRocker
Then why should my posting photos enduce ANY sort of reaction from you, be it positive OR negative?


Because they’re polluting the thread.

XenaGlamRocker
ETA: when you have good news to share you are so happy that you want to shout it out from the rooftops - or have you never had good news before?


Of course. And I have friends whom I share it with.
alasdair_R
I'm pro-choice, and I don't see how I've been insulting about it.

I don't feel the need to congratulate you on being pregnant because I have no idea who you are, and the fact that the persona somebody who I talk to on the internet adopts (and I'm not implying you're not who you say you are, I'm just making a point about the internet), is pregnant means very little to me.

But for what it's worth, if you want the thing and are happy about it's being inside you, good stuff...


I didn't ask you to congratulate me, nor am I bothered in the slightest that you didn't.

But, if we're looking at this objectively, it does show rather a lack of manners that you didn't.
Whether or not you know me is irrelevant. You are quite capable of typing hundreds of words to strangers every single day, yet it's too difficult for you to type the word "congratulations"?

If you dislike talking to strangers, why are you on a message board trying to change the opinion of strangers to your way of thinking?

anyway, like I said, it's no skin off my nose - you're right, you weren't actively insulting no.

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XenaGlamRocker
it does show rather a lack of manners that you didn't.


In what way exactily?

Not everyone approaches pregnancy in the same way.

Reply 1406

Xena it's great that you're having a baby and you're excited. But you posted the pictures intending to use them in the debate.

Xena
I'm going for my 20 week ultrasound scan on Tuesday! I'm very excited. I shall post pics afterwards of my mere collection of cells
Xena
I know Tufts ESPECIALLY wants to see them, so I thought I really HAD to post them


Both of these suggest to me that it wasn't just excitement that prompted you to post the scan pics.

For what it's worth, you sound like a great mum and I'm sure your son will be a very happy little boy. But for some people that's a commitment they just can't bring themselves to make, and I think the choice should always be there.
Tufts
Because they’re polluting the thread.


You know, you COULD have looked at the photos in a constructive manner. You could have made points about certain organs not being formed yet, or you could have continued with your "I don't think it's a baby because it's still attached to the mother" line that comes up so often.

I wouldn't have minded if you had examined the photos with on open mind, accepted that I am happy to be having a son, and then pointed out various scientific facts that show why you disagree that it is a human being even though it looks like one.

But no, you've opted to go for the "you're polluting the thread" line.
Now why is that I wonder?
You can't argue that you could have actually used the photos constructively.
Are you threatened by the fact that my baby actually looks like a baby?

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XenaGlamRocker
I didn't ask you to congratulate me, nor am I bothered in the slightest that you didn't.

But, if we're looking at this objectively, it does show rather a lack of manners that you didn't.
Whether or not you know me is irrelevant. You are quite capable of typing hundreds of words to strangers every single day, yet it's too difficult for you to type the word "congratulations"?

If you dislike talking to strangers, why are you on a message board trying to change the opinion of strangers to your way of thinking?

anyway, like I said, it's no skin off my nose - you're right, you weren't actively insulting no.


It shows no such thing. I'm not on TSR to congratulate people.

Imagine that I'm in the pub that I work at (and the following story actually happened). A couple come up to the bar, we have a bit of banter about the rugby and the weather, I serve them their drinks, they pay for them and sit down. They then proceed to get out the woman's (who is pregnant) Ultrasound scans. The woman calls her mum/sister/best mate and tells her it's a girl. Do you expect me to go over and congratulate her?

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supercat
you posted the pictures intending to use them in the debate.


Both of these suggest to me that it wasn't just excitement that prompted you to post the scan pics.


What she said :ditto:
supercat
Xena it's great that you're having a baby and you're excited. But you posted the pictures intending to use them in the debate.




Both of these suggest to me that it wasn't just excitement that prompted you to post the scan pics.


The reason for posting the pics was indeed because I was happy about them - even more so once I found out the gender. It was very exciting.

The comments about Tufts and the collection of cells were
a) because he said they would make him vomit (so I couldn't resist a tiny dig there - it was a stupid thing for him to say in response to me saying I was going to post pics) and
b) if I had've put "baby" instead of "collection of cells" I would have had a zillion posts going "it's not a baby!" so I thought I'd have the first say on that.

Yes I was being a tad sarcastic but so what?

As I just said a moment ago anyway - people could have opted to use them constructively in the debate, but I guess that would have been too easy.

Reply 1411

Xena,

Congrats on the baby, forgot to say that earlier.

I don't think you're changing any minds about posting the pictures and the more you argue the more they're going to come back with pointless comments.

I think you were right to post them because it's very easy to say "it's a ball of cells" when you don't actually look at what you mean by that. It was relevant to the thread and lovely to look at to boot!

However, pro-abortionists will always use the "emotional blackmail" excuse to get out of ever having to face up to the reality of what they're saying. For one thing you weren't blackmailing them into anything so they obviously don't know the meaning of the term. For another it amuses me that they somehow suggest emotion is meaningless, as if we all live our lives according to logic.
alasdair_R
It shows no such thing. I'm not on TSR to congratulate people.

Imagine that I'm in the pub that I work at (and the following story actually happened). A couple come up to the bar, we have a bit of banter about the rugby and the weather, I serve them their drinks, they pay for them and sit down. They then proceed to get out the woman's (who is pregnant) Ultrasound scans. The woman calls her mum/sister/best mate and tells her it's a girl. Do you expect me to go over and congratulate her?


They were not addressing you, so no.

If you were in a group of mixed company, and somebody you didn't know particularly well addressed the entire group and said she was having a boy/or a girl, and passed around u/s scans, I would have thought it polite for you to have congratulated her.

Reply 1413

So sex should be reserved purely for reproduction?


Don't sound so surprised. Some people actually believe this. It's only because you live in a certain society where casual sex is the norm. that you believe this to be a preposterous idea. In my opinion it is social evolution brought about by the condom.

Take your own advice Jenny


I find it ironic also.

Why would we care? It's not like we're your friends or that we even know you.


Because it's just a nice thing to do. It's not like it would kill you, or detract from your argument. But it is funny how it's only pro-lifers which have congratulator her. It is just an interesting observation. Question, remember the 20 week (or whatever) premature baby which could still survive? Would you deem killing that as murder? I think abortions are far too liberal these days.

It doesnt surprise me in the slightest that you feel that way. Afterall the world is very black and white to you.


Again with the cheap, one-line insults. It does not take a rocket scientist to realise the clear divide in this thread.

Because they’re polluting the thread.


They clearly show the foetus/baby/cells which we are discussing.

Of course. And I have friends whom I share it with.


Great :smile:


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Reply 1414

XenaGlamRocker
The reason for posting the pics was indeed because I was happy about them - even more so once I found out the gender. It was very exciting.

The comments about Tufts and the collection of cells were
a) because he said they would make him vomit (so I couldn't resist a tiny dig there - it was a stupid thing for him to say in response to me saying I was going to post pics) and
b) if I had've put "baby" instead of "collection of cells" I would have had a zillion posts going "it's not a baby!" so I thought I'd have the first say on that.

Yes I was being a tad sarcastic but so what?

As I just said a moment ago anyway - people could have opted to use them constructively in the debate, but I guess that would have been too easy.

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8106841&postcount=1356 <-- there you go, someone using them constructively in a debate (although I admit they begin with emotional blackmail).

I don't think it was emotional blackmail, personally. But you must have known that you would have got a negative response.

I'm glad you're so happy, really. I just think it's a shame you can't advocate a choice. As hard as it may be to believe it, us pro-choice people are happy that you chose to have your baby instead of abort it because that's what you wanted to do. But you're saying that other women should have no choice in the matter, and that there is only one option. It's not like pro-choice people go around saying everyone should abort their baby, whereas pro-lifers say everyone should keep it.
Seoid

For another it amuses me that they somehow suggest emotion is meaningless, as if we all live our lives according to logic.


Well that's it exactly....so many people choose to have abortions for practical reasons. They put their head before their hearts and it really is rather sad to be honest. We are, by nature, instinctual and emotional creatures. The saying goes that love is the most powerful force on earth, yet so many people just ignore that.

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XenaGlamRocker
They were not addressing you, so no.

If you were in a group of mixed company, and somebody you didn't know particularly well addressed the entire group and said she was having a boy/or a girl, and passed around u/s scans, I would have thought it polite for you to have congratulated her.


#nopity#

lol its amusing how you care so much :laugh:

Accept the non-acknowledgement of your grainy photos and let it drop. As Seoid said, you're not going to achieve anything.

Reply 1417

Clearly not... Label me a traditionalist or whatever you want, but I found that quite rude. I thought the pictures served as a helpful reminder of what we're talking about if nothing else. The thread has turned cold and sour and bitter, exemplified by your quite heartless response.

:yawn: Goodnight y'all.
supercat
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8106841&postcount=1356 <-- there you go, someone using them constructively in a debate (although I admit they begin with emotional blackmail).


Yes I agree there was some constructive use of them there.
The insults that he threw in with it though were unnecessary.

supercat

I'm glad you're so happy, really. I just think it's a shame you can't advocate a choice. As hard as it may be to believe it, us pro-choice people are happy that you chose to have your baby instead of abort it because that's what you wanted to do. But you're saying that other women should have no choice in the matter, and that there is only one option. It's not like pro-choice people go around saying everyone should abort their baby, whereas pro-lifers say everyone should keep it.


Well, actually, yes it is hard to believe that the pro-choice side here are happy about it - because I've seen little evidence to that effect!
You are saying that pro-choice people don't go around saying everyone should abort their baby, yet if somebody shows a picture of a scan that they are obviously very happy about, why do (some of them) then feel the need to insult the woman?
I was inclined to believe that pro-choice really did mean pro-CHOICE, but I've got a feeling I should start using the term pro-abortionist as some pro-lifers have already taken to using.
I've avoided it until now, because despite my disagreement with the pro-choice stance, I did think that the choice was the main thing that was argued by pro-choicers.
However after today it seems that a lot (not all, but a lot) of pro-choicers, at least on here anyway (and I'm not saying you're one of them), just basically dislike the thought of babies being born full stop!
At least that's the impression I'm getting anyhow.
Tufts
#nopity#

lol its amusing how you care so much :laugh:

Accept the non-acknowledgement of your grainy photos and let it drop. As Seoid said, you're not going to achieve anything.


non-acknowledgement doesn't bother me - I've already said that.
It just is interesting to see who has manners and who doesn't.

As for my photos being grainy, my first baby was much much clearer at 20 weeks - she wriggled a lot less. If you really want to see a scan picture that looks even more like a baby, I'd be more than happy to post those aswell.

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