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Reply 20

I think it should be tightly regulated and have very clear guidelines as to what can be screened for.

Reply 21

The_Bear
For sure designer babies should be allowed if the technology is available. Why anyone would want to change the looks of their baby is rather strange...unless you like being looked at as if you have cheated on your husband?


Why should it be allowed just because we can? I can punch someone in the face - does it make it then right to do it?

Anyway, as for my views - it's a definite NO. For genetic diseases, I'm unsure but I can see why people would do it for those reasons. For any other reasons at all, then no.

Reply 22

irisng
Why should it be allowed just because we can? I can punch someone in the face - does it make it then right to do it?

Anyway, as for my views - it's a definite NO. For genetic diseases, I'm unsure but I can see why people would do it for those reasons. For any other reasons at all, then no.


Theres a good reason not to punch someone in the face lol, whats the good reason here?

Reply 23

The only problem I can currently see with designer babies it the possibility of society becoming divided into two camps: the haves and the have nots. Unless everything's paid for by the state, the situation would look quite bad from the poor's point of view.

Apart from that I see no reason not to start using the technology today. Is there really anything ethically wrong about choosing to give birth to a blue eyed baby rather than a brown eyed baby? As long as people have a diversity of preferences, I don't think humans could end up a monoculture of blue-eyed fair-haired girls (or whatever else).
man_in_black
Is there really anything ethically wrong about choosing to give birth to a blue eyed baby rather than a brown eyed baby?


Yes there is -
imagine if the child finds out that his/her parents had his genetic makeup tampered with in order to give them a child with the looks they wanted.

1) The child will forever wonder what s/he would have looked like if the parents had not meddled.

2) The child will be extremely hurt in thinking that if s/he had been born as nature intended, the parents would not have loved him/her.

I wouldn't want to have been genetically modified in the slightest. It would hurt my feelings to know that my parents had to have a "perfect" baby otherwise they wouldn't have been pleased.

Every child needs to know that they are loved for whoever they are and whatever they look like.

Reply 25

man_in_black
The only problem I can currently see with designer babies it the possibility of society becoming divided into two camps: the haves and the have nots. Unless everything's paid for by the state, the situation would look quite bad from the poor's point of view.

Apart from that I see no reason not to start using the technology today. Is there really anything ethically wrong about choosing to give birth to a blue eyed baby rather than a brown eyed baby? As long as people have a diversity of preferences, I don't think humans could end up a monoculture of blue-eyed fair-haired girls (or whatever else).


Its more that it encourages people to superficial and well pathetic. IVF is a nasty process and if you are prepared to go through that for the sake of something like eye or hair colour then you are a very pathetic superficial person.

Reply 26

ForumFreak
Its more that it encourages people to superficial and well pathetic. IVF is a nasty process and if you are prepared to go through that for the sake of something like eye or hair colour then you are a very pathetic superficial person.


What if you simply want to make sure that a certain feature is displayed in your child; you already have the gene, it's likely to be displayed, but you make sure it is. Is that so wrong?

Reply 27

No I dont think its morally wrong I just think its really pathetic that you would go through IVF for the sake of something like that. Like someone said earlier it does sound like the kind of this Paris Hilton would do.

Reply 28

ForumFreak
Its more that it encourages people to superficial and well pathetic. IVF is a nasty process and if you are prepared to go through that for the sake of something like eye or hair colour then you are a very pathetic superficial person.


I agree, I think it would be not just superficial but also entirely pointless if you went through IVF for the sake of ensuring your baby's born with a certain eye colour. The prospect that exites me however, is being able to improve people's concentration spans, improve their capacity for building and storing memories, think abstractly, plan and solve problems. As long as there's a genetic basis for these functions then it would be theoretically possible to build on what's already in someone's genetic makeup without any complications.

In reply to XenaGlamRocker, would there be any negative feelings in the child if the parents chose to improve their concentration span? (I agree with you to an extent about eye colour.)

To reiterate what I said in my previous post, designer babies would be a terrible idea if the option was not available to all sections of society as it might create more problems than it could solve.
man_in_black

In reply to XenaGlamRocker, would there be any negative feelings in the child if the parents chose to improve their concentration span? (I agree with you to an extent about eye colour.)


I'm not sure.
The child may still feel hurt that the parents chose to improve on them - there is still the fact that they would feel as if they weren't good enough in the first place.
Then again it's not a physical thing, so the other side of the coin is that something like concentration span would actually be beneficial to the child in school, so I guess it's not as clear cut as altering a physical attribute.

Reply 30

I honestly think that parents who do decided to have designer babies actually take away an identity of a certain individual, they take away from a little baby his natural appearance and replace it with something they think is right.

Reply 31

i'm kinda like for it, and against it.
Like, as people mix around the world, blonde hair and green eyes would desapear. And i see it like, losing a special part of humanity. And designer babys would be one way of keeping that part of humanity.
BUT, designer babies would become fashion tends. I think. You would be able to find that a certain person was born in the 60s because he had pink hair and green eyes.
And we'll become a very shallow socity i think, based on looks. Worst than todays standards.

Reply 32

I don't believe that it should be done for cosmetic reasons however i would fully support any parents who choose to do it to prevent their children from developing a condition which could lead to them being severly disabled physically or mentally or lead a very short life.

Reply 33

If it's done for medical reasons then it's beneficial and a fantastic example of science do a great job. :biggrin:

If not, then I think it's a terrible violation of a person's individuality. I would be furious if my mother had forced a specific hair colour on me and I would creep into her room every night so I could dye her hair pink so she knew how it felt. :mad:

Reply 34

ForumFreak
I think it should only be used for nasty diseases and not for stuff like looks or intelligence or sporting ability.


Whyever not? Everyone cares about improving their children's intelligence as it helps them get ahead in life. Hence we have education. Improving genetic structure for intelligence (if it could be done) is just another step in that direction.
To whoever it was that said that the children may be resentful or think they weren't good enough - well we have compulsory education. Does that mean that we might think we weren't good enough in the first place? No, of course not. Parents routinely get tuition for their children. Does that mean they're not good enough? All it means is that parents want their children to have the best opportunities. And i agree with that.

Besides which, increasing the intelligence of the general populace might not be such a bad idea considering all the idiots in society.

Reply 35

In theory, I think it is a good idea, for parents who want to prevent their children from having horrific diseases. But there wouldn't be a line drawn, and even if there was, it would gradually get pushed and pushed until there would be no moral foundation.

Reply 36

suneilr
Whyever not? Everyone cares about improving their children's intelligence as it helps them get ahead in life. Hence we have education. Improving genetic structure for intelligence (if it could be done) is just another step in that direction.
To whoever it was that said that the children may be resentful or think they weren't good enough - well we have compulsory education. Does that mean that we might think we weren't good enough in the first place? No, of course not. Parents routinely get tuition for their children. Does that mean they're not good enough? All it means is that parents want their children to have the best opportunities. And i agree with that.

Besides which, increasing the intelligence of the general populace might not be such a bad idea considering all the idiots in society.

The world is competative enough without parents designing their children to be clever. That's a sick prospect.

Reply 37

34 person
The world is competative enough without parents designing their children to be clever. That's a sick prospect.


You think people being cleverer is a sick prospect? Unfortunately for you, its only because there are intelligent people around that society progresses. Without people being competitive, especially with regards to intelligence, we'd still be stuck living in caves without any technology. Now most people, I'm sure, would agree that technology is a good thing. Cleverer people advance understanding which makes it easier to improve technology.

Reply 38

It's rather interesting that the majority of women contributing to this discussion are against "cosmetic designing" of potential offspring, yet it is women who predominantly have cosmetic surgery to change their own appearance.

Reply 39

soup_dragon87
It's rather interesting that the majority of women contributing to this discussion are against "cosmetic designing" of potential offspring, yet it is women who predominantly have cosmetic surgery to change their own appearance.


I suppose most of them would argue that when they have cosmetic surgery they are choosing their looks as opposed to their parents choosing their looks. To an extent I agree with this.

However I cannot see any argument against increasing peoples intelligence genetically before birth (well aside from the fact that we can't yet). Everyone wants to be more intelligent, and those that don't are the ones who contribute the least to society so their views hardly count.

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