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Second derivative

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for q10, why does it mean if the second derivative is 0 at 2 and 6?
When d2ydx2=0\frac{d^{2}y}{dx^{2}} = 0 there may be a point of inflexion which means that the graph seems to 'level off' at these points.

However, when d2ydx2=0\frac{d^{2}y}{dx^{2}} = 0 there isn't strictly going to be a point of inflexion, it could also be a MAXimum point or a MINimum point. This can be checked by selecting x values to the right and the left of the point where d2ydx2=0\frac{d^{2}y}{dx^{2}} = 0 and checking what the graph would look like.

Does that make sense?
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Original post by Jordan\
When d2ydx2=0\frac{d^{2}y}{dx^{2}} = 0 there may be a point of inflexion which means that the graph seems to 'level off' at these points.

However, when d2ydx2=0\frac{d^{2}y}{dx^{2}} = 0 there isn't strictly going to be a point of inflexion, it could also be a MAXimum point or a MINimum point. This can be checked by selecting x values to the right and the left of the point where d2ydx2=0\frac{d^{2}y}{dx^{2}} = 0 and checking what the graph would look like.

Does that make sense?


but does that mean for the 2nd derivative to be zero the first derivative must also be 0?
Original post by runny4
but does that mean for the 2nd derivative to be zero the first derivative must also be 0?

Yes! The first derivative is 0 if it is a stationary point. You use the secondary derivative to find out the nature of said stationary point. :yep:
(edited 8 years ago)
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Original post by Jordan\
Yes! The first derivative is 0 if it is a stationary point. You use the secondary derivative to find out the nature of said stationary point :yep:


thanks
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Original post by Jordan\
Yes! The first derivative is 0 if it is a stationary point. You use the secondary derivative to find out the nature of said stationary point :yep:


Original post by runny4
thanks


You can have first derivative non zero and second derivative zero.
This can produces a non stationary point of inflexion.
EVERY cubic has a point of inflexion, not necessarily stationary.
Original post by TeeEm
You can have first derivative non zero and second derivative zero.
This can produces a non stationary point of inflexion.
EVERY cubic has a point of inflexion, not necessarily stationary.

Thanks.
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Original post by Jordan\
Thanks.


no worries
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Original post by TeeEm
You can have first derivative non zero and second derivative zero.
This can produces a non stationary point of inflexion.
EVERY cubic has a point of inflexion, not necessarily stationary.


isn't a point of inflexion a stationary point?- gradient 0
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Original post by runny4
isn't a point of inflexion a stationary point?- gradient 0


A point of inflexion maybe stationary or non stationary.

The best way to picture what a point of inflexion is to think of it as the point where the tangent to the curve at that point crosses the curve itself.
For any continuous curve, between a local max and a local min there must be a point of inflexion. (not necessarily stationary)

If stationary (gradient zero) then it has an additional property and that is a stationary point of inflexion
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Original post by TeeEm
A point of inflexion maybe stationary or non stationary.

The best way to picture what a point of inflexion is to think of it as the point where the tangent to the curve at that point crosses the curve itself.
For any continuous curve, between a local max and a local min there must be a point of inflexion. (not necessarily stationary)

If stationary (gradient zero) then it has an additional property and that is a stationary point of inflexion


ok but going back to the original question how at x=4 can dy/dx=0 and at 2 and 6 d2y/dx2=0
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Original post by runny4
ok but going back to the original question how at x=4 can dy/dx=0 and at 2 and 6 d2y/dx2=0



I do not know what the original question was.
Read my comments, look at the question and hopefully you will answer your question yourself

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