The "myth" of "White privilege".

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(Original post by sophia5892)
I too have a huge problem with the term "privilege". Similar to others in this post I would not try to deny that discrimination exists and of course some people from minority background are going to experience problems and we should work to resolve this.

But I do think the term puts people's backs up and causes division. After all, having privilege doesn't stop people wanting to fight for equality. I also hate that it means all people are labelled and separated by their race, when much more is at play.

I'm white, straight, female from a low-income working-class background, second in my family to go to university (after my mum went to uni when I was 6ish). Now personally, I think I was very lucky growing up - my mum worked several minimum wage jobs to make sure I didn't go without. But it does rile me to be lumped in with the upper class, privately educated lot. As if, just because I am white, I haven't experienced hardship. Or just because I am white, I've never experienced racism or other discrimination. So I do find it quite offensive to be told my opinions are worthless, I'm incapable of understanding and I should just shut up because I am so much more privileged than every ethnic minority, LBGT person out there

Racism, just like sexism, goes both ways, so it's entirely likely you have suffered in one form or another from "reverse" racism. I know I have.

However this is how modern day SJWs (Social Justice Warriors) work. If you're white, cis and "priveleged" you cannot speak out.
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(Original post by joyce-diana)
May I just ask what do you mean by people of colour?
Do you think we all were born white then coloured ourselves into different coulours?
How can you call us such a thing then say there's no such thing as white privilege??
Oh my giddy aunt.

Are you serious? How can anyone take this seriously lol
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Oh my giddy aunt.

Are you serious? How can anyone take this seriously lol
No I'm just saying, please don't call us that. We're not coloured people. I don't like that term. Ok?
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Lol myth?! Can't be serious
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(Original post by VotreAltesse)
First off, I know this a very controversial, however I wish to ask it to see perspective.


Now that's out of the way I want to say that I'm almost completely against Political Correctness. In fact, it hurts me to not be able to speak my mind without worrying about being labelled something. Of course there are limits.

I'm a white, straight, cis, 21 year old male. According to most on the left, I'm extremely priviliged. Somehow, when I was born I was given a green card, or privilege card which allows me to have more benefits than people of colour or people of another sexuality...

Somehow people of colour, women and people belonging to other sexuality groups than my own, suffer in work and they feel as if they're being tied down with ball and chain.

I honestly don't see this.. I personally think it's a complete myth. ANYONE, so long as they work hard, can reach their dreams.


Here's a link to a thoroughly informative video about the Myth.


https://youtu.be/rvEvJaF0w2o
You don't understand white privilege at all, do you?

True, a black/brown or a person of any other colour may reach their dreams through hard work and what not but it will probably take them twice as long as it did a white person.

Coloured people will face obstacle after obstacle and although they would be all the better for it, it doesn't make it right/correct.
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(Original post by VotreAltesse)
I'm a white, straight, cis, 21 year old male.

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I honestly don't see this.. I personally think it's a complete myth.
I wonder if there could be a correlation there.
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No I'm just saying, please don't call us that. We're not coloured people. I don't like that term. Ok?
Hi Joyce-Diana, I hope you don't mind me asking what term you'd prefer?

(I don't mean that to be inflammatory at all - "people of colour" tends to be the term i see used most in discussion of similar issues online..)
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(Original post by sophia5892)
Hi Joyce-Diana, I hope you don't mind me asking what term you'd prefer?

(I don't mean that to be inflammatory at all - "people of colour" tends to be the term i see used most in discussion of similar issues online... but I had always thought describing someone as "coloured" wasn't very PC!)
Just say "non-white" .That would be better.

Sorry, I just feel uncomfortable when people say coloured people or people of colour ;it makes me feel as if people who aren't white aren't normal.
But I don't mind non-white. Because people who aren't white.... Are just not white.
Thanks for asking
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(Original post by joyce-diana)
Just say "non-white" .That would be better.

Sorry, I just feel uncomfortable when people say coloured people or people of colour ;it makes me feel as if people who aren't white aren't normal.
But I don't mind non-white. Because people who aren't white.... Are just not white.
Thanks for asking
No need to apologise - this whole thread is discussing people being uncomfortable with the term "white privilege"! And thanks for the response

I think this might be the article I read on it: http://www.buzzfeed.com/bimadewunmi/...ur#.lo1aDn1kbg

It's so hard to know sometimes what words to use best - it's so easy to alienate people by saying something you think is perfectly innocuous but is actually insulting or irritating to them!
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Whether you like it or not white privilege clearly exists; the education system, stop and searches, job interviews and careers.
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This argument leads to nowhere and is ultimately a waste of time. Think about it like this:

You are an employer. You have two applicants. Both have the same qualifications, experience, went to the same university have the same personality, same clothes etc.
The only difference between them is the way they look.
One is big, black (yes I used the "B" word, according to society I'm racist lol. that was sarcasm btw), has red eyes and looks scary.
The other is white, good and looks friendly.

So who would you employ?

If you chose the latter then society will call this "white privilege" or racist, cause no one knows the difference.
If you chose the former the whites in society will feel discriminated against. ( I'll call this "black privilege" for the sake of it, I will use this for everyone who is not white)
In such a situation you wont win.

In the west the "white privilege" is rare to find and its the same for "black privilege". But one fact is undeniable, BOTH DO EXIST.

Outside the west, things become very very clear. This exist both in the Asian and African world. In the Middle East "black" privilege is more common, they will favour the're own people over anyone else especially whites.

The issue goes way deeper, but I cant be bothered to write anymore.
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(Original post by joyce-diana)
No I'm just saying, please don't call us that. We're not coloured people. I don't like that term. Ok?
You don't like it, that's fine. But I can still use it.
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(Original post by Peön)
If you don't like White privilege

Then stop ****ing living in White countries you darkies and *****ing about it
. So what do you say about African Americans,being imported in America with out no choice.
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(Original post by joyce-diana)
Just say "non-white" .That would be better.

Sorry, I just feel uncomfortable when people say coloured people or people of colour ;it makes me feel as if people who aren't white aren't normal.
But I don't mind non-white. Because people who aren't white.... Are just not white.
Thanks for asking

Say "people of colour" or "person of colour" is neither rude not racist. No offence, but you need to get over that fact and get stronger.
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Okay, right.

I am also white, straight and cis. The only difference, apparently, is that I'm a woman.

I can however acknowledge that historical oppression of minorities, combined with some lingering institutionalised prejudices (and socialised prejudices too), definitely adds up to an environment that causes some people to struggle in ways you and I will not understand or be able to experience.

Denying this is really just... Bizarre.

As an example - Black people were prevented from reaching positions of power or of higher salaries. Therefore their children could not have as comfortable a life as a white counterpart may have had (e.g. can't afford a private school, can't afford a private tutor etc). This results in the next generation also being unable to break out of the cycle, etc etc.

Sure, things are over all gradually improving for those who aren't white, who are disabled, not straight or not cis. But the fact that so many people do still having lingering prejudices (often ingrained since childhood and not necessarily the fault of the individual) does cause an environment of privilege for some.

It seems surreal to suggest that a gay, black, transgender woman has as much of a chance at a high-paying career, perhaps in government, as an upper class white straight cis man.
I agree with everything you said but you used 'cis' therefore i dislike your comment.
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You don't understand white privilege at all, do you?

True, a black/brown or a person of any other colour may reach their dreams through hard work and what not but it will probably take them twice as long as it did a white person.

Coloured people will face obstacle after obstacle and although they would be all the better for it, it doesn't make it right/correct.
Everyone faces obstacles in life. How stupid.
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Racism, just like sexism, goes both ways, so it's entirely likely you have suffered in one form or another from "reverse" racism. I know I have.
Reverse racism and reverse sexism do not exist. If you're living in a society that is catered towards a specific group of people, including yourself, you cannot experience racism in that society because racism is a systematic form of oppression, not everyday prejudice.
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"White privilege does not exist" says the privileged white person
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There is already a thread on this...which the OP has posted in. :confused:

Does this forum do thread merges?
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Reverse racism and reverse sexism do not exist. If you're living in a society that is catered towards a specific group of people, including yourself, you cannot experience racism in that society because racism is a systematic form of oppression, not everyday prejudice.
How truly revolting and predictable.

Go read the definition of racism: it says that each race can be affected by racism, and it's calling a race inferior or SUPERIOR(!!!)

I'm not going to continue an argument/debate with an ignoramus like you, so this is the first and last response to you.
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