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warning- VERY long rant! ARGH! No input from team, am I right to be annoyed now?
Hello lovely H&R people!
Righto, heres the thing.
We are doing this in-depth research thing associated with something we did earlier this year at uni. We are in groups of about 12. We're meant to write the stuff up as a report and then present it. For the presentation, a random person gets chosen.
Now, we arranged an initial meeting, in which everything was chaotic. So afterwards I thought I would just take the lead slightly so we're all not headless chickens. I assigned parts of the reading up to everyone and asked if they could write up their bits as a *short* paragraph (told them clearly what things should be included and by when etc).
Some people sent me the required stuff on time, while the majority just blatantly copy pasted stuff off the internet...off wikepedia! I wouldnt mind if it was comprehensive...but it wasnt! it was upto 12 pages for one person! I asked them to cut it down etc...surprise surprise, they didnt. Oh and, I didnt even recieve that on time....4 days after when I wanted them!
I then ended up doing literally ALL the report. ALL. Till yesterday I had a draft-ish. Several times, people went, awww youre doing too much bla bla...just send us the stuff well do it etc etc. But they never did.
Now this Im ok with, since I can do the report to my liking and not worry about anything...sicne nobody else has bothered giving me feedback or anything when Ive sent out drafts.
Now, we have the presentation tomorrow. Sod's law ofcourse, I didnt get chosen to do the presentation, and Im annoyed about that, as I think I understand the subject better than people in my group- to their own admission.
I arranged a meeting last week so we could put together the powerpoint. People truned up, helped put together the slides etc, then I took a copy home. Naturally in the end I ended up improving it, putting notes in with each slide, making it pretty etc etc.
I stayed up till 3am friday, 5am saturday morning, doing notes for the slides. I sent the powerpoint out to all group members, again no feedback. Oh I did get told teh presentation looked fab by a couple when I asked if theyd seen it.
The girl who got chosen to do the presentation- right. Shes now changed the notes- which is fair enough really, as SHE is presenting, not me. She told me she changed a few things on slides, which I didnt mind at all. Then she went on to say how this certain one thing was too long, and shes completely OMITTED it! AND it has relevance to a very interesting conclusion that I researched DAYS to come up with. I reminded her today that she should bring a copy on a memory stick for the presentation. She doesnt have one, so I asked her to send it over to me by email this evening and Id bring it in on my USB, that way i could also see what she changed.
And guess what, no signs of a presentation...doubt Ill receive it now.
Basically, my point is, if I have worked EVER so hard for this, shouldnt they atleast TELL me what theyre changing? it affects my grade too! Dont I deserve a little more appreciation?!
To make things worse, the presenting girl is meant to be one of my closest friends. Shell give me a smile tomorrow and go on to apologise about not sendign the powerpoint. She knows Im annoyed by this, as I havent been kept it from the group, even if I expressed myself civilly
oh, and, we have another indiviudal report for a different thing due in monday, and a HUGE exam, for which I havent revised...lovely.
ps: Im posting this late, becuase Ive been trying to finish the report itself. you see?!
/rant over
Righto, heres the thing.
We are doing this in-depth research thing associated with something we did earlier this year at uni. We are in groups of about 12. We're meant to write the stuff up as a report and then present it. For the presentation, a random person gets chosen.
Now, we arranged an initial meeting, in which everything was chaotic. So afterwards I thought I would just take the lead slightly so we're all not headless chickens. I assigned parts of the reading up to everyone and asked if they could write up their bits as a *short* paragraph (told them clearly what things should be included and by when etc).
Some people sent me the required stuff on time, while the majority just blatantly copy pasted stuff off the internet...off wikepedia! I wouldnt mind if it was comprehensive...but it wasnt! it was upto 12 pages for one person! I asked them to cut it down etc...surprise surprise, they didnt. Oh and, I didnt even recieve that on time....4 days after when I wanted them!
I then ended up doing literally ALL the report. ALL. Till yesterday I had a draft-ish. Several times, people went, awww youre doing too much bla bla...just send us the stuff well do it etc etc. But they never did.
Now this Im ok with, since I can do the report to my liking and not worry about anything...sicne nobody else has bothered giving me feedback or anything when Ive sent out drafts.
Now, we have the presentation tomorrow. Sod's law ofcourse, I didnt get chosen to do the presentation, and Im annoyed about that, as I think I understand the subject better than people in my group- to their own admission.
I arranged a meeting last week so we could put together the powerpoint. People truned up, helped put together the slides etc, then I took a copy home. Naturally in the end I ended up improving it, putting notes in with each slide, making it pretty etc etc.
I stayed up till 3am friday, 5am saturday morning, doing notes for the slides. I sent the powerpoint out to all group members, again no feedback. Oh I did get told teh presentation looked fab by a couple when I asked if theyd seen it.
The girl who got chosen to do the presentation- right. Shes now changed the notes- which is fair enough really, as SHE is presenting, not me. She told me she changed a few things on slides, which I didnt mind at all. Then she went on to say how this certain one thing was too long, and shes completely OMITTED it! AND it has relevance to a very interesting conclusion that I researched DAYS to come up with. I reminded her today that she should bring a copy on a memory stick for the presentation. She doesnt have one, so I asked her to send it over to me by email this evening and Id bring it in on my USB, that way i could also see what she changed.
And guess what, no signs of a presentation...doubt Ill receive it now.
Basically, my point is, if I have worked EVER so hard for this, shouldnt they atleast TELL me what theyre changing? it affects my grade too! Dont I deserve a little more appreciation?!
To make things worse, the presenting girl is meant to be one of my closest friends. Shell give me a smile tomorrow and go on to apologise about not sendign the powerpoint. She knows Im annoyed by this, as I havent been kept it from the group, even if I expressed myself civilly
oh, and, we have another indiviudal report for a different thing due in monday, and a HUGE exam, for which I havent revised...lovely.
ps: Im posting this late, becuase Ive been trying to finish the report itself. you see?!
/rant over
Reply 1
Groups of twelve huh...geez, you know it's gonna be ugly when there are that many people to let you down.
I'm also one of those people, as yourself, who ends up covering for the whole group. So I know what it feels like.
Teachers know it's me too. They're like "Don't let one person *compassionate glance my general direction* end up with all the work" - but it always happens anyway, doesn't it...
Humanity is rather disappointing, hm...
Anyway - I know my words don't change anything, but best of luck with all your endeavours. There can only be so many short straws out there. Let's hope you've taken most of them already.
I'm also one of those people, as yourself, who ends up covering for the whole group. So I know what it feels like.
Teachers know it's me too. They're like "Don't let one person *compassionate glance my general direction* end up with all the work" - but it always happens anyway, doesn't it...
Humanity is rather disappointing, hm...
Anyway - I know my words don't change anything, but best of luck with all your endeavours. There can only be so many short straws out there. Let's hope you've taken most of them already.
Reply 2
13
I hate group projects. People are so undependable. The only thing to do is to move on and avoid classes that have group projects.
Reply 3
Rabite
Groups of twelve huh...geez, you know it's gonna be ugly when there are that many people to let you down.
I'm also one of those people, as yourself, who ends up covering for the whole group. So I know what it feels like.
Teachers know it's me too. They're like "Don't let one person *compassionate glance my general direction* end up with all the work" - but it always happens anyway, doesn't it...
Humanity is rather disappointing, hm...
Anyway - I know my words don't change anything, but best of luck with all your endeavours. There can only be so many short straws out there. Let's hope you've taken most of them already.
I'm also one of those people, as yourself, who ends up covering for the whole group. So I know what it feels like.
Teachers know it's me too. They're like "Don't let one person *compassionate glance my general direction* end up with all the work" - but it always happens anyway, doesn't it...
Humanity is rather disappointing, hm...
Anyway - I know my words don't change anything, but best of luck with all your endeavours. There can only be so many short straws out there. Let's hope you've taken most of them already.
Thanks!
Ive been hoping that for so long now that Ive gotten used to the idea that people never do much, if they know theres even a remote chance someone else may do the work.
Bismarck
I hate group projects. People are so undependable. The only thing to do is to move on and avoid classes that have group projects.
I hate group projects. People are so undependable. The only thing to do is to move on and avoid classes that have group projects.
I wish I could, but with my course that would be nigh on impossible!
Anyway, I think what I really wanted was to know Im not being a miserable whiney cow, who wants showers of praise for working! I just feel so unappreciated. I mean, I'm practically handing these people a huge chunk of work on a plate, and they cant even have the decency to say thank you/ well done properly!
I cant believe I'm being this bitter
oh, and, well done for reading my unbelievably long post!
Reply 4
11
Bismarck
I hate group projects. People are so undependable. The only thing to do is to move on and avoid classes that have group projects.
Agreed. But moving on or avoiding classes that have group projects as their assignments is impossible, especially when they're mandatory modules.
The idea with group work is it's supposed to help you learn to communicate and work within a team and to deadlines. The only problem here is the fact that it's students and students are by definition; lazy.
I hate group work too. I hate the fact that I could have a very relevant and important piece of information or topic and because the group don't like it - it's ommitted. I don't like the idea that I'm being assessed on other people's work either, it's my degree, not theirs. However, group work can be an enjoyable thing when it does work. Out of about four different pieces of group work so far, only one has really gone very smoothly. Group work is just a pain in the backside.
Sometimes you do just need to nag or moan to get things done though. The only problem is, I hate people who are too controlling and nag at me when it's unwarranted. In one group work, I'd told them about two months prior to submission, I wasn't going to be able to do any work the few nights before it was due, so I need my section early. Guess what they did? They gave me the conclusion! I couldn't do the conclusion without their information! Cue me trying my best, ill and very tired at about 4am one night trying to get some work produced. In the end they went ahead and did it without me! I felt very annoyed, but on the positive side - the information they used was from an e-mail I'd sent earlier in the week, so it was basically my work anyway. I made them all see what I'd produced so no one could accuse me of not pulling me weight and I dared any of them to accuse me of leaving it too late, I told them well before the day
...it's just the nature of group work I'm afraid.The one group work I had where it worked was when we were all friends. We met up everyday and all made sure no one was lagging behind anyone else.
Best of luck!
Reply 5
Awh. *holds*
Well, who cares if you want a bit of praise. I want praise when I do more than a fair share of work.
You obviously deserve a little bit of appreciation.
*sigh*
Come down here next time you have a group assignment!
Always wondered what it feels like to split the workload equally, actually.
Well, who cares if you want a bit of praise. I want praise when I do more than a fair share of work.
You obviously deserve a little bit of appreciation.
*sigh*
Come down here next time you have a group assignment!
Always wondered what it feels like to split the workload equally, actually.
Reply 6
Nix!
Agreed. But moving on or avoiding classes that have group projects as their assignments is impossible, especially when they're mandatory modules.
The idea with group work is it's supposed to help you learn to communicate and work within a team and to deadlines. The only problem here is the fact that it's students and students are by definition; lazy.
I hate group work too. I hate the fact that I could have a very relevant and important piece of information or topic and because the group don't like it - it's ommitted. I don't like the idea that I'm being assessed on other people's work either, it's my degree, not theirs. However, group work can be an enjoyable thing when it does work. Out of about four different pieces of group work so far, only one has really gone very smoothly. Group work is just a pain in the backside.
Sometimes you do just need to nag or moan to get things done though. The only problem is, I hate people who are too controlling and nag at me when it's unwarranted. In one group work, I'd told them about two months prior to submission, I wasn't going to be able to do any work the few nights before it was due, so I need my section early. Guess what they did? They gave me the conclusion! I couldn't do the conclusion without their information! Cue me trying my best, ill and very tired at about 4am one night trying to get some work produced. In the end they went ahead and did it without me! I felt very annoyed, but on the positive side - the information they used was from an e-mail I'd sent earlier in the week, so it was basically my work anyway. I made them all see what I'd produced so no one could accuse me of not pulling me weight and I dared any of them to accuse me of leaving it too late, I told them well before the day ...it's just the nature of group work I'm afraid.
The one group work I had where it worked was when we were all friends. We met up everyday and all made sure no one was lagging behind anyone else.
Best of luck!
The idea with group work is it's supposed to help you learn to communicate and work within a team and to deadlines. The only problem here is the fact that it's students and students are by definition; lazy.
I hate group work too. I hate the fact that I could have a very relevant and important piece of information or topic and because the group don't like it - it's ommitted. I don't like the idea that I'm being assessed on other people's work either, it's my degree, not theirs. However, group work can be an enjoyable thing when it does work. Out of about four different pieces of group work so far, only one has really gone very smoothly. Group work is just a pain in the backside.
Sometimes you do just need to nag or moan to get things done though. The only problem is, I hate people who are too controlling and nag at me when it's unwarranted. In one group work, I'd told them about two months prior to submission, I wasn't going to be able to do any work the few nights before it was due, so I need my section early. Guess what they did? They gave me the conclusion! I couldn't do the conclusion without their information! Cue me trying my best, ill and very tired at about 4am one night trying to get some work produced. In the end they went ahead and did it without me! I felt very annoyed, but on the positive side - the information they used was from an e-mail I'd sent earlier in the week, so it was basically my work anyway. I made them all see what I'd produced so no one could accuse me of not pulling me weight and I dared any of them to accuse me of leaving it too late, I told them well before the day
...it's just the nature of group work I'm afraid.The one group work I had where it worked was when we were all friends. We met up everyday and all made sure no one was lagging behind anyone else.
Best of luck!
I honestly wouldnt hate that IF everyoned done the work.
This particular project, I have done ALL the work..and I am not exaggerating.
I find it more than rude that despite this, relevant stuff is omitted...AND im not shown what exactly is done. i mean, FFS, I DID ALL OF IT! (im not having a go at you by the way!
)Its good to know Im not the only person who has had hell team projects.
I know now what I must do next time (be bloody rude and not accomodating at all...not very me!) but Im just annoyed at this girl.
Reply 7
Rabite
Awh. *holds*
Well, who cares if you want a bit of praise. I want praise when I do more than a fair share of work.
You obviously deserve a little bit of appreciation.
*sigh*
Come down here next time you have a group assignment!
Always wondered what it feels like to split the workload equally, actually.
Well, who cares if you want a bit of praise. I want praise when I do more than a fair share of work.
You obviously deserve a little bit of appreciation.
*sigh*
Come down here next time you have a group assignment!
Always wondered what it feels like to split the workload equally, actually.
aw thank you!
haha, something Ive never experienced either! Im determined to the next time though. I shall be the utter height of bitchiness and horribleness if I have to!
(Im scared of what this project has turned me into- a compulsive swearer who stays up till 4 am asking for pity
)Your posts have made me feel itsy bit better, so thank you guys. Im just not sure what to say to my 'good friend' tomorrow.
Reply 8
12 people all working on the same project is a recipe for disaster. We have to do presentations in teams of two or three and I'm constantly being let down by one guy in particular. It's got to the point where he lets me (and others) down so regularly that I'd rather just have more work to do myself and not have to rely on him.
My advice is to speak to whichever tutor/lecturer set you the project, it's totally unfair that you had to do it all yourself. Explain what's happened, it would be really wrong of them to act like they'd contributed when they'd actually done sod all. My tutor was really understanding about it and was totally on my side.
My advice is to speak to whichever tutor/lecturer set you the project, it's totally unfair that you had to do it all yourself. Explain what's happened, it would be really wrong of them to act like they'd contributed when they'd actually done sod all. My tutor was really understanding about it and was totally on my side.
Reply 9
16
When I was at Uni, we had to fill in a paper at the end of the group assignment detailing how much work we felt everyone did, and what they did specifically, if they turned up to meetings etc. And the mark was determined from that.
It's pretty foolproof too, if you've lied about the work you've done, then you can't quote from it, which they asked us to do.
It's pretty foolproof too, if you've lied about the work you've done, then you can't quote from it, which they asked us to do.
Reply 10
Boy, do I feel for you. I was always in the same position at school, always being the "scribe" for the group, always writing up the notes/doing the presentation/giving the talk. Most people were all too happy to let me do everything, but others said I was "bossy" and "arrogant". So I would ask them to help me out and they would either say they were too busy or produce some absolute tat. Tbh, there is not much you can do unless you want to play with fire . . . next time, refuse to do 't anything. Just sit back, write your little paragraph and leave it at that. If someone doesn't pick up the pieces and do a good job, you will all take a hit. But maybe they will learn.
Anyway, you have every right to be seriously pissed off. Maybe you could tell them this. Just sit them down and say it all in words of one syllable.
Anyway, you have every right to be seriously pissed off. Maybe you could tell them this. Just sit them down and say it all in words of one syllable.
Reply 11
Definitely go to your tutor.
And next time, if you find that it starts happening all over again, go to your tutor straight off and ask for advice. The sooner you go for help, the sooner they can perhaps do something about it.
If you don't feed back to the tutors, they'll keep on thinking that groups of 12 work, when really the largest group should be half that.
And next time, if you find that it starts happening all over again, go to your tutor straight off and ask for advice. The sooner you go for help, the sooner they can perhaps do something about it.
If you don't feed back to the tutors, they'll keep on thinking that groups of 12 work, when really the largest group should be half that.
Reply 12
Firstly, thank you ever ever so much for your replies
The presentation was today. It went brilliantly, except for I didnt present it. The person chosen did use notes Id produced with the powerpoint to produce their own, but I went over it with them for hours, perfecting it as much as possible.
We got complimented at the end for the the whole presentation (put together ofcourse by me) and especially the conclusion- and this is what bothers me the most. Ive spent not hours, but DAYS and weeks- and i do not exaggerate- coming up with that.
Ive just spoken to my parents and they too say I must speak to the project manager tutor guy ASAP. I think Id like to do that, as thinking about it now, its very unfair the rest of the group gets exactly what I do, for having done much less work than me- but id somehow feel really horrible if I did that
I did speak to my personal tutor a few days ago and she gave me advice and stuff. I wasnt so pissed off then, so told her I wasnt mentioning it as a complaint, but rather as something to gain experience and advice from. I now feel so differently (do you blame me? I slept at 5:00am yesterday and had to wake up at 7:00 to get ready for uni- this is but one of the constant late nights ive had over this project)
I do remember having been told that in cases like these, we can go speak to the organiser.
Now heres my dilemma- I cant decide if I should speak to my group first about me going to see the tutor and explain I did most of the work, or if I should go see my personal tutor and ask her advice, or if I should just go to the project tutor and explain it all to him? (either way, Im not sure how id respond to people when they realise what Ive done, if I do it.)
Rest assured though guys, I made certain people were aware how cheesed off I was at this whole thing. Oh, incidentally, one person actually said to me 'Its maybe because people have been busy etc'...in a nicey tone to make me feel better. I did exclaim 'I do the same course as you all for God's sake! dont I have the same stuff to do?!'...but its still playing on my mind.
argh! I cant believe how inconsiderate and selfish people are!
I do realise theres not much point in me staying anonymous anymore, as Im sure whoever happens to read this and knows me and/or about the project will know straight away who I am...but meh.
The presentation was today. It went brilliantly, except for I didnt present it. The person chosen did use notes Id produced with the powerpoint to produce their own, but I went over it with them for hours, perfecting it as much as possible.
We got complimented at the end for the the whole presentation (put together ofcourse by me) and especially the conclusion- and this is what bothers me the most. Ive spent not hours, but DAYS and weeks- and i do not exaggerate- coming up with that.
Ive just spoken to my parents and they too say I must speak to the project manager tutor guy ASAP. I think Id like to do that, as thinking about it now, its very unfair the rest of the group gets exactly what I do, for having done much less work than me- but id somehow feel really horrible if I did that
I did speak to my personal tutor a few days ago and she gave me advice and stuff. I wasnt so pissed off then, so told her I wasnt mentioning it as a complaint, but rather as something to gain experience and advice from. I now feel so differently (do you blame me? I slept at 5:00am yesterday and had to wake up at 7:00 to get ready for uni- this is but one of the constant late nights ive had over this project)
I do remember having been told that in cases like these, we can go speak to the organiser.
Now heres my dilemma- I cant decide if I should speak to my group first about me going to see the tutor and explain I did most of the work, or if I should go see my personal tutor and ask her advice, or if I should just go to the project tutor and explain it all to him? (either way, Im not sure how id respond to people when they realise what Ive done, if I do it.)
Rest assured though guys, I made certain people were aware how cheesed off I was at this whole thing. Oh, incidentally, one person actually said to me 'Its maybe because people have been busy etc'...in a nicey tone to make me feel better. I did exclaim 'I do the same course as you all for God's sake! dont I have the same stuff to do?!'...but its still playing on my mind.
argh! I cant believe how inconsiderate and selfish people are!
I do realise theres not much point in me staying anonymous anymore, as Im sure whoever happens to read this and knows me and/or about the project will know straight away who I am...but meh.
Reply 13
I didnt realise ever I was capable of making such long posts.
I apologise for being such a pain, but I suppose ranting about it is in fact helping me loads!
I apologise for being such a pain, but I suppose ranting about it is in fact helping me loads!
Reply 14
1
God, rant away - it's well overdue! I would speak directly to the tutor in charge of this project then he knows exactly what is involved, how many people etc. Don't speak to the group first. They've had their chance now it's your turn to try and claw some credit back for yourself.
Reply 15
Yeah, speak to your tutor.
Something similar happened to me.
It was a group of 4 people (12 would be my nightmare) me and 3 girls who I didn't get on with. They were all friends and had no idea what to do, so I came up with the idea, put all the theory behind it, told them what to research etc. Gave them my phone number so they could let me know what was happening.
Got back after Christmas and they weren't turning upto lectures so my tutor advised me to switch. Got put with a very old mature student.
A week after this happened and the presentations were based over 2 week periods, the girls showed up. With a presentation they they'd done using MY idea and the theory I suggested to them. Basically how I suggested we do it.
They ignored me in class and when I asked them, they just shrugged.
They ended up with a 63 (2:1)
At this point my new partner was off ill, which I found out from someone else and wasn't returning back to Uni.
So I told my tutor my idea had been stolen and I couldn't trust people so could I just work on my own!
I did the presentation, reminded him I'd got ****ed about and I got a 1st
I HATE group presentations! lol
And rant away m'dear!
Something similar happened to me.
It was a group of 4 people (12 would be my nightmare) me and 3 girls who I didn't get on with. They were all friends and had no idea what to do, so I came up with the idea, put all the theory behind it, told them what to research etc. Gave them my phone number so they could let me know what was happening.
Got back after Christmas and they weren't turning upto lectures so my tutor advised me to switch. Got put with a very old mature student.
A week after this happened and the presentations were based over 2 week periods, the girls showed up. With a presentation they they'd done using MY idea and the theory I suggested to them. Basically how I suggested we do it.
They ignored me in class and when I asked them, they just shrugged.
They ended up with a 63 (2:1)
At this point my new partner was off ill, which I found out from someone else and wasn't returning back to Uni.
So I told my tutor my idea had been stolen and I couldn't trust people so could I just work on my own!
I did the presentation, reminded him I'd got ****ed about and I got a 1st
I HATE group presentations! lol
And rant away m'dear!
Reply 16
I wish there were people like you guys in my group, honestly.
If I go speak to the project tutor, what exactly should I say ? Im thinkin along the lines of some people have contributed a little bit, others havent been very helpful and I feel that the majority, if not almost all the work has been not only been my idea and research, but even the putting together- down to the presentation notes etc.
(By the way, my group do realise Ive done all the work. Theyve all been saying this since yesterday.)
Thing is, its not just a presentation, theres also a report for it due in this friday. Im away on Thursday, so ideally, Id like to speak to the tutor tomorrow, before we actually submit the report.
If I go speak to the project tutor, what exactly should I say ? Im thinkin along the lines of some people have contributed a little bit, others havent been very helpful and I feel that the majority, if not almost all the work has been not only been my idea and research, but even the putting together- down to the presentation notes etc.
(By the way, my group do realise Ive done all the work. Theyve all been saying this since yesterday.)
Thing is, its not just a presentation, theres also a report for it due in this friday. Im away on Thursday, so ideally, Id like to speak to the tutor tomorrow, before we actually submit the report.
Reply 17
Jillie Boe
Yeah, speak to your tutor.
Something similar happened to me.
It was a group of 4 people (12 would be my nightmare) me and 3 girls who I didn't get on with. They were all friends and had no idea what to do, so I came up with the idea, put all the theory behind it, told them what to research etc. Gave them my phone number so they could let me know what was happening.
Got back after Christmas and they weren't turning upto lectures so my tutor advised me to switch. Got put with a very old mature student.
A week after this happened and the presentations were based over 2 week periods, the girls showed up. With a presentation they they'd done using MY idea and the theory I suggested to them. Basically how I suggested we do it.
They ignored me in class and when I asked them, they just shrugged.
They ended up with a 63 (2:1)
At this point my new partner was off ill, which I found out from someone else and wasn't returning back to Uni.
So I told my tutor my idea had been stolen and I couldn't trust people so could I just work on my own!
I did the presentation, reminded him I'd got ****ed about and I got a 1st
I HATE group presentations! lol
And rant away m'dear!
Something similar happened to me.
It was a group of 4 people (12 would be my nightmare) me and 3 girls who I didn't get on with. They were all friends and had no idea what to do, so I came up with the idea, put all the theory behind it, told them what to research etc. Gave them my phone number so they could let me know what was happening.
Got back after Christmas and they weren't turning upto lectures so my tutor advised me to switch. Got put with a very old mature student.
A week after this happened and the presentations were based over 2 week periods, the girls showed up. With a presentation they they'd done using MY idea and the theory I suggested to them. Basically how I suggested we do it.
They ignored me in class and when I asked them, they just shrugged.
They ended up with a 63 (2:1)
At this point my new partner was off ill, which I found out from someone else and wasn't returning back to Uni.
So I told my tutor my idea had been stolen and I couldn't trust people so could I just work on my own!
I did the presentation, reminded him I'd got ****ed about and I got a 1st
I HATE group presentations! lol
And rant away m'dear!
God! what luck eh? Well done for the 1st!
Reply 18
Err... wow. You spent literally WEEKS coming up with a conclusion? And stayed up till 5am in order to 'pretty up' some power point slides?
I'd say that was a little bit excessive personally, especially since you weren't even presenting the thing.
I mean I know what its like when you do group work and noone helps (not one person has EVER EVER helped me in the uni's pro bono programme in 2 years... Everything I have done has been totally on my own, even though its supposedly group work) but then again, you agreed as a group what was going on the slides, then you went and put what you want on them. Haven't they got a right to be a little annoyed about that? Whatever work they do actually do gets changed by you anyway. I'm not saying you're a control freak or anything
but you obviously like things done just so.
I thought the point of group work was for everyone to have a say (regardless of how much effort they put in) rather than everyone helps one person to complete her report in a certain way?
I mean be a little more forgiving of these people, just because they weren't as obsessed by the presentation and report as you were doesn't mean they are bad people...
I'd say that was a little bit excessive personally, especially since you weren't even presenting the thing.
I mean I know what its like when you do group work and noone helps (not one person has EVER EVER helped me in the uni's pro bono programme in 2 years... Everything I have done has been totally on my own, even though its supposedly group work) but then again, you agreed as a group what was going on the slides, then you went and put what you want on them. Haven't they got a right to be a little annoyed about that? Whatever work they do actually do gets changed by you anyway. I'm not saying you're a control freak or anything
but you obviously like things done just so.I thought the point of group work was for everyone to have a say (regardless of how much effort they put in) rather than everyone helps one person to complete her report in a certain way?
I mean be a little more forgiving of these people, just because they weren't as obsessed by the presentation and report as you were doesn't mean they are bad people...
Reply 19
pinkpinkuk
Err... wow. You spent literally WEEKS coming up with a conclusion? And stayed up till 5am in order to 'pretty up' some power point slides?
I'd say that was a little bit excessive personally, especially since you weren't even presenting the thing.
I mean I know what its like when you do group work and noone helps (not one person has EVER EVER helped me in the uni's pro bono programme in 2 years... Everything I have done has been totally on my own, even though its supposedly group work) but then again, you agreed as a group what was going on the slides, then you went and put what you want on them. Haven't they got a right to be a little annoyed about that? Whatever work they do actually do gets changed by you anyway. I'm not saying you're a control freak or anything but you obviously like things done just so.
I thought the point of group work was for everyone to have a say (regardless of how much effort they put in) rather than everyone helps one person to complete her report in a certain way?
I mean be a little more forgiving of these people, just because they weren't as obsessed by the presentation and report as you were doesn't mean they are bad people...
I'd say that was a little bit excessive personally, especially since you weren't even presenting the thing.
I mean I know what its like when you do group work and noone helps (not one person has EVER EVER helped me in the uni's pro bono programme in 2 years... Everything I have done has been totally on my own, even though its supposedly group work) but then again, you agreed as a group what was going on the slides, then you went and put what you want on them. Haven't they got a right to be a little annoyed about that? Whatever work they do actually do gets changed by you anyway. I'm not saying you're a control freak or anything
but you obviously like things done just so.I thought the point of group work was for everyone to have a say (regardless of how much effort they put in) rather than everyone helps one person to complete her report in a certain way?
I mean be a little more forgiving of these people, just because they weren't as obsessed by the presentation and report as you were doesn't mean they are bad people...
I know it sounds excessive, but there really was a lot to cover with the topic- very very extensive and broad. With conclusions, they werent simply deductions, they involved a lot of background reading and understanding to correlate stuff.
See now this is what I was worried about in the beginning.
Nobody was prepared to take charge, I only did so when people told me to.
I know I can be a bit bossy at times, but I *really* made sure I asked for input and feedback all the way through. Hell, all I was planning to do was arrange for meetings and just put together all the paragraphs. When, and only when, I didnt receive any did I give up and just did it all anyway. By not receiving input, I mean a couple of weeks of waiting and reminding people and being so close to the deadline. I think the fact that people just copy/pasted pages of stuff and sent it to me, asking me to see what I could do does imply that theyd like me to do it.
Incidentally, I asked for help several times. I didnt get much other than a few aws.
Or maybe Im kidding myself, and just over-reacting when it all is a problem of my making.
I have put the people across as being evil, that isnt really true.
I'll quit moaning now. I feel like a proper bitch.
And now Im even more confused about whether I should speak to the tutor.
Im so sorry for being so horrible and boring you all. Thank you for your time guys, its truely truely appreciated.
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