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Reply 100

lunchbox
Can someone tell me why HMC is consistently ranked at the bottom of the Norrington table?

http://www.mattmayer.com/fun/norrington/

This isn't the most updated version but you get the idea.

Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I am very curious! You would think given that the college is made up of mature students, the motivation level to succeed should be much higher....?


I wouldn't read too much into it. People are here because they choose to be here, not because university is just the automatic 'next step,' so people are pretty motivated, and don't see uni as just a place to mess around for 3-4 years as some fresh-out-of-school undergrads do.

The main reason I can think of is that the Norrington Table method skews toward colleges that have a large number of science students, since it's easier to get a First in sciences than it is in the humanities degrees. HMC is heavily weighted towards humanities degrees, with only a relatively tiny number of scientists. So we're put at a disadvantage in the Table immediately. The fact that we're also the smallest and poorest college may also have something to do with it.

But take the Norrington with a grain of salt. HMC's an excellent place to be, and going to a college that ranks low on the Table doesn't prevent you from getting a First. The amount of work you put in is more important.

Reply 101

ccematson
I wouldn't read too much into it. People are here because they choose to be here, not because university is just the automatic 'next step,' so people are pretty motivated, and don't see uni as just a place to mess around for 3-4 years as some fresh-out-of-school undergrads do.

The main reason I can think of is that the Norrington Table method skews toward colleges that have a large number of science students, since it's easier to get a First in sciences than it is in the humanities degrees. HMC is heavily weighted towards humanities degrees, with only a relatively tiny number of scientists. So we're put at a disadvantage in the Table immediately. The fact that we're also the smallest and poorest college may also have something to do with it.

But take the Norrington with a grain of salt. HMC's an excellent place to be, and going to a college that ranks low on the Table doesn't prevent you from getting a First. The amount of work you put in is more important.


I agree with ccematson here. The Norrington Table has little to do with how hard working and motivated people are.

Also, you probably should not base your perceptions of HMC solely on the table either. It certainly does not mean that by coming to HMC one will get a somewhat 'lesser' value education...

Reply 102

Hi. Would someone mind letting me know... is all undergrad accommodation in "single rooms"? I had assumed it was, but looking on the HMC website, it talks (on the conference page) about some being "twin rooms". I don't particularly (IF I get a place!) wish to share a room!

Ta
mat

Reply 103

mat43
Hi. Would someone mind letting me know... is all undergrad accommodation in "single rooms"? I had assumed it was, but looking on the HMC website, it talks (on the conference page) about some being "twin rooms". I don't particularly (IF I get a place!) wish to share a room!

Ta
mat


As far as I know, there are no shared rooms, only singles that vary in size.

Reply 104

Thanks, that puts my mind at rest :-)

Reply 105

Could I just ask if the accommodation is very expensive at HMC? I've heard it's a lot more than other colleges.

Reply 106

leala4628
Could I just ask if the accommodation is very expensive at HMC? I've heard it's a lot more than other colleges.


It was approx. £4450 last year, so I am guessing it will be approx. the same this year. It is more expensive than at other colleges due to HMC being less wealthy... However, you do have your daily meals (breakfast, lunch & dinner Monday-Friday, and brunch on Sundays) included in the price, so that's one thing less to worry about.

Reply 107

eve_22
It was approx. £4450 last year, so I am guessing it will be approx. the same this year. It is more expensive than at other colleges due to HMC being less wealthy... However, you do have your daily meals (breakfast, lunch & dinner Monday-Friday, and brunch on Sundays) included in the price, so that's one thing less to worry about.


Thanks for replying so quickly. That is expensive but not too bad. Just one more question, I'm not sure if you'll be able to help but to anyone receiving the Oxford Opportunity Bursary could you tell me when it's paid-at the beginning of the academic year or later? Just for trying to work out budgets etc.

Reply 108

leala4628
Thanks for replying so quickly. That is expensive but not too bad. Just one more question, I'm not sure if you'll be able to help but to anyone receiving the Oxford Opportunity Bursary could you tell me when it's paid-at the beginning of the academic year or later? Just for trying to work out budgets etc.


It tends to be paid towards the start of term: usually between the 2nd-4th week :yes:

Reply 109

The_Lonely_Goatherd
It tends to be paid towards the start of term: usually between the 2nd-4th week :yes:


Oh, that's good. Thanks :smile:

Reply 110

leala4628
Oh, that's good. Thanks :smile:


No worries. It's in termly installments, btw :smile:

Reply 111

leala4628
Thanks for replying so quickly. That is expensive but not too bad. Just one more question, I'm not sure if you'll be able to help but to anyone receiving the Oxford Opportunity Bursary could you tell me when it's paid-at the beginning of the academic year or later? Just for trying to work out budgets etc.


It is paid in three installements at the start of 4th week of each term, I think. That's at least when we get it at HMC, IIRC.

Reply 112

Evening all.

Applying to HMC for Law (Jurisprudence) on the basis of OU study - very excited but also very nervous about the prospect of possibly not even getting to interview (which is where I think I would perform best).

The Admissions Tutour, Judith Nisbet, has been very helpful and has patiently answered my probably rather silly questions. Looking forward to the LNAT now (I was delighted when I read you type the answers in the essay section, as I can comfortably touch-type to about 140 words per minute!), and keep FOREVER changing my Personal Statement.

Like other people posting in this thread, I do also have a relationship to consider. I really want to live in College Halls for the first year but there is no accommodation for couples (which seems crazy if you're a college dedicated to mature students!) and I am not sure if my other half would be able to move so easily. I'm trying to put these problems out of my mind and focus on securing a place first!

I'm not sure how much of my experiences to put in the UCAS statement? For instance, I stood in the General Elections this year (not sure if I should mention this?) and volunteer for a Trade Union to handle Employment Tribunals on behalf of people who can't afford legal representation.

Reply 113

Does anyone know if it is common to have students in their mid-thirties at Harris Manchester?

Reply 114

careerchanger
Does anyone know if it is common to have students in their mid-thirties at Harris Manchester?


It's not unusual to have students in their mid-sixties apparently!

Reply 115

Hi careerchanger - I went to the Open day in July and there were plenty of prospective applicants in their 30's (and older, including me!) Have you been to a HMC Open Day yet? There's one in September. It's a great opportunity to see the place, speak to a tutor and realise you won't be the only one not in your early 20's!

Reply 116

No, not uncommon at all! I'm 22 and a student there and a lot of my friends are in their mid thirties. Welcome to the fold. Are you joining us in October? :smile:

Reply 117

careerchanger
Does anyone know if it is common to have students in their mid-thirties at Harris Manchester?


Perfectly common, don't worry! My best friend at Harris is turning 40 this year, and another very close friend is in her mid sixties. There are quite a few thirty-somethings around, especially since lots of the postgrads choose to socialise with the undergrads (though the two people I just mentioned are actually undergrad: there are 'older' people at all degree levels). For what it's worth, I'm 24 - so that should show you how little age is actually acknowledged when making friendships at HMC. :smile:

Reply 118

I have an interview in December (8th-11th) - yippeee. Will we meet any of the long termers on this site, as student helpers?

Reply 119

I might be considered by Harris Manchester for PPE.

Are there any HMC students on TSR?

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