What actually is a 'cultural Marxist'?

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I get called this all the time during internet arguments with Ukippers/BNP folk . . . what is it actually supposed to mean?
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Someone who wants to destroy Western society with degeneracy. Google "Frankfurt School"
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It means you force people to accept people of other races/sexualities/whatever else as equals. It was called cultural bolshevism in nazi germany and its also a favorite term of Breivik and Fox News loons. If somebody uses it it means its time for you to put them in your ignore list. Aint nobody got time for Nazi trash.
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(Original post by driftawaay)
It means you force people to accept people of other races/sexualities/whatever else as equals. It was called cultural bolshevism in nazi germany and its also a favorite term of Breivik and Fox News loons. If somebody uses it it means its time for you to put them in your ignore list. Aint nobody got time for Nazi trash.
Got it, thank you.
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(Original post by driftawaay)
It means you force people to accept people of other races/sexualities/whatever else as equals. It was called cultural bolshevism in nazi germany and its also a favorite term of Breivik and Fox News loons. If somebody uses it it means its time for you to put them in your ignore list. Aint nobody got time for Nazi trash.
So, a term that is used by Breivik is immediately a bad term by association? Good logic, lady.

A Cultural Marxist is a disciple of Antonio Gramsci, and the Frankfurt School were the big proponents of his. The final place in which change shall occur is in the political institutions (I'm paraphrasing) but the culture must change for the communist revolution to take place. Gramsci basically believed that Marx's prediction for a communist revolution was only not realised because everybody in the West were brainwashed by Capitalist propaganda. This brought forward the idea of a "long march through the institutions"- many communist sympathisers were told not to join the Communist party, but instead to infiltrate both the Labour and Conservative party to gain real power in the system to affect change.

Cultural Marxists believe in equality above all else. They are fascists. They want to censor and control human behaviour beyond the original purview of government. They have no time for individual liberty.
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(Original post by Mister Morality)
So, a term that is used by Breivik is immediately a bad term by association? Good logic, lady.
No, that wasn't my logic at all. I was just giving him an example of the type of person who uses it. Although OP already knew it, since he mentioned BNP/UKIP himself.
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No, that wasn't my logic at all. I was just giving him an example of the type of person who uses it. Although OP already knew it, since he mentioned BNP/UKIP himself.
The term Cultural Marxist could easily be replaced by "Gramsciite" or Cultural Revolutionary, but the core is the same. These are people attempting to subvert British law and British culture under the delusion that all people are equal and kinship doesn't matter.
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(Original post by Mister Morality)
So, a term that is used by Breivik is immediately a bad term by association? Good logic, lady.

A Cultural Marxist is a disciple of Antonio Gramsci and the Frankfurt School were the big proponents of this. The final place in which change shall occur is in the political institutions (I'm paraphrasing) but the culture must change for the communist revolution to take place. Gramsci basically believed that Marx's prediction for a communist revolution was only not realised because everybody in the West were brainwashed by Capitalist propaganda. This brought forward the idea of a "long march through the institutions"- many communist sympathisers were told not to join the Communist party, but instead to infiltrate both the Labour and Conservative party to gain real power in the system to affect change.

Cultural Marxists believe in equality above all else. They are fascists. They want to censor and control human behaviour beyond the original purview of government. They have no time for individual liberty.
Well Labour has certainly been infiltrated. Don't see any Marxists in the Conservative party however. Tbh I think Labour got "re-infiltrated" by the public school types leading to New Labour.
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If you want to understand kulturmarxism you should read some of their works at first hand. Starting with the most well known one which is The Authoritarian Personality by Adorno. The main goal of this work was to try and influence people to the conclusion that right-wing political beliefs are a result of mental illness and "pre-fascist". You can also see the deceit present among these kulturmarxists as they would often hide the fact that they had communist beliefs describing themselves as believers in "democracy" instead.
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(Original post by Mister Morality)
The term Cultural Marxist could easily be replaced by "Gramsciite" or Cultural Revolutionary, but the core is the same. These are people attempting to subvert British law and British culture under the delusion that all people are equal and kinship doesn't matter.
Why shouldn't people be treated as equals and why should kinship matter?
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Why shouldn't people be treated as equals and why should kinship matter?
>why should kinship matter.


Yeah. Why should your parents care about your well-being? Why should you have any more allegiance to your friends and family than you do to strangers? Why should you care about anybody but yourself rising to the top?

How discriminatory it must be to be part of a family- that word just triggers me dearly. I see the light now. Kinship doesn't matter, does it? Society would be much better without it.
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No idea really. It always feels like they are one step away from blaming the Jews or something.

Seems like a bogey man that doesn't exist.
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>why should kinship matter.

Yeah. Why should your parents care about your well-being? Why should you have any more allegiance to your friends and family than you do to strangers? Why should you care about anybody but yourself rising to the top?

How discriminatory it must be to be part of a family- that word just triggers me dearly. I see the light now. Kinship doesn't matter, does it? Society would be much better without it.
I understand your sarcasm but you haven't answered the question. Essentially you've just said that kinship matters because it matters.

Some of the things you've mentioned above don't appear to have anything to do with kinship, or at least the kinship I'm thinking of. To make things easier, what do you think kinship means? Also, why shouldn't people be equal?

I would like to clarify that I'm asking in the context of things like race and sex. Usually people call me a cultural marxist when I say that men and women should be treated as equals or that people white people should be treated the same as non-white people, etc.

Also I'm just asking genuine questions here so I don't particularly understand why you've been sarcastic and somewhat hostile in your response.
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I don't see anything wrong with seeing fellow human beings as equals. You are wrong however on the fact that they say to see them as equal to your own family.

I think you have missed the point there, it is to basically see everyone as having equal rights and equal opportunities but has nothing to do with how you emotionally feel about someone.

If someone worse off than me was a bit of a numpty, I might not like them, but I will still see them as an equal member of society.
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No idea really. It always feels like they are one step away from blaming the Jews or something.

Seems like a bogey man that doesn't exist.
they arent one step away at all. 'the jewish conspiracy' is a key component of the 'cultural marxism' theory.
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they arent one step away at all. 'the jewish conspiracy' is a key component of the 'cultural marxism' theory.
Well there you go
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I understand your sarcasm but you haven't answered the question. Essentially you've just said that kinship matters because it matters.

Some of the things you've mentioned above don't appear to have anything to do with kinship, or at least the kinship I'm thinking of. To make things easier, what do you think kinship means? Also, why shouldn't people be equal?

I would like to clarify that I'm asking in the context of things like race and sex. Usually people call me a cultural marxist when I say that men and women should be treated as equals or that people white people should be treated the same as non-white people, etc.

Also I'm just asking genuine questions here so I don't particularly understand why you've been sarcastic and somewhat hostile in your response.
A kinship society is one in which the efforts of the citizens are carried out to facilitate the development of children in a sane and private manner. It is a society built on morality, on compassion and on liberty. The majority of this society are not selfish or hedonistic, they do what is best for their family. This means you have strong competition between other families occasionally, but when those feuds escalate, that is what the law is for.

Yes we are all human beings, we are all worth the value of 'one person', but you must understand that in practice it is not the case. The more family and blood relatives you have in a village, the more important you become there compared to an immigrant who just came in off the boat. It has nothing to do with wealth or colour or gender- it is about relation. The same applies in any other country. Just look at Japan or other Asian countries who run on a kinship level still.

Apologies if I came off hostile, but your first post was pithy and flippant.
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If someone worse off than me was a bit of a numpty, I might not like them, but I will still see them as an equal member of society.
Not quite. They would equally be members of that society, but they would not be equals in any other way.
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A kinship society is one in which the efforts of the citizens are carried out to facilitate the development of children in a sane and private manner. It is a society built on morality, on compassion and on liberty. The majority of this society are not selfish or hedonistic, they do what is best for their family. This means you have strong competition between other families occasionally, but when those feuds escalate, that is what the law is for.

Yes we are all human beings, we are all worth the value of 'one person', but you must understand that in practice it is not the case. The more family and blood relatives you have in a village, the more important you become there compared to an immigrant who just came in off the boat. It has nothing to do with wealth or colour or gender- it is about relation. The same applies in any other country. Just look at Japan or other Asian countries who run on a kinship level still.

Apologies if I came off hostile, but your first post was pithy and flippant.
I can admire some aspects of that society but I can't see the point in others. I can't see the reason as to why close family relations are necessary or why people cannot be selfish or hedonistic at least to some extent. I am not particularly close with my family and have some selfish and hedonistic tendencies though I lead a very happy and healthy life. Things like this do not bother me. Why are they important to you?

I would not say that Japan is a kinship society. The concept of family in Japan is in very rapid decline.
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I can admire some aspects of that society but I can't see the point in others. I can't see the reason as to why close family relations are necessary or why people cannot be selfish or hedonistic at least to some extent. I am not particularly close with my family and have some selfish and hedonistic tendencies though I lead a very happy and healthy life. Things like this do not bother me. Why are they important to you?

I would not say that Japan is a kinship society. The concept of family in Japan is in very rapid decline.
You can be selfish and hedonistic- there are no laws against it. It is socially frowned upon and seen as unproductive and, typically, a waste of money or even to the detriment of your family. Large, tight-knit families generate social capital, understanding and compassion amongst people from all economic backgrounds and persuasions. Policies, laws and regulations that hinder the traditional family (Cultural Marxism) also hinder social capital.

If you are told you must pay 40% of your salary to go towards helping the less fortunate, your first question is "who are they and do they deserve it?" You have no choice in the matter- those people are free to do as they please and spend your money as they please, because they are equal to you and are simply on hard times. This isn't actually the case and creates tensions among the affluent and poor. By affluent, I simply refer to working classes and above versus the underclass.

The point is that hedonism is not to be encouraged or promoted. Homosex is not to be encouraged or promoted. Smoking weed everyday is not to be encouraged or promoted. Why? Because these things are detrimental to society when the popularity of these things escalate. You don't have to arrest the gays and weed smokers, but examples need to be made of and it needs to be taught that it is not supportive of society in general. Then you'll find things will sort themselves out and the homosexuals will go back to doing their stuff in private. You'll find women don't reject their natural instinct to bear and raise children. You'll find less people will smoke drugs. These are all cultural choices made by individuals, but high culture begins at the top. It begins with incentives, deterrents and law. Then the universities, media and parents to pass on and solidify the culture.

Japan is a kinship society, but the Japanese are dying out due to a few new feminist laws they are rejecting. You've got those herbivore men movements in which they refuse to marry. Similar to MGTOW in the West.

If you want a less free society, that's up to you. Supposedly we fought for our freedoms in many wars. I don't want to lose them because people suddenly took up the Communist/Socialist mantras of equality. Nazi Germany had those same mantras, by the way. Nobody wants to live like the Soviets or National Socialists. We want to be free from central government as much as possible.
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