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Why is Homerton disliked so much & consider it to be 'lower' than other colleges?

Reply 20

CamRules

IronicDory, don't worry about Homerton. It's Cambridge, it's top.

Reply 21

JohnStuartMill

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thefish_uk

And you mean techies in general don't think actors are that bright... all the ones I have met (not a huge number) have been really interesting and smart people. Though they probably don't seem like it when they're tripping over stuff backstage / standing 3 inches too far back so their face is in darkness / missing out lines so you almost miss your cue etc...

Try learning that many lines in the space of time most actors at Cambridge have whilst also studying for their degree. It's not an easy thing to do.

Reply 22

groovy_moose

1

And you mean techies in general don't think actors are that bright... all the ones I have met (not a huge number) have been really interesting and smart people. Though they probably don't seem like it when they're tripping over stuff backstage / standing 3 inches too far back so their face is in darkness / missing out lines so you almost miss your cue etc...

Try learning that many lines in the space of time most actors at Cambridge have whilst also studying for their degree. It's not an easy thing to do.

Just to clarify - i'm not saying that actor aren't incredibly intelligent, bright and inetersting people (i don't see why they should be any different from anyone else in cambridge) and i didn't say anything about techies at all!
All i meant is that if you get the public at large to rank careers based on intelliengence, my impressionis that actors would come towards the bottom, not top, in terms of stereotype. Since there is a proportionately large amount of acting people at Homerton, this could aid the pre-existing college stereotype. I'm sure the people at homerton are no different from the people at any other college :biggrin:

And as for lines, and more to the point, rehersals - i don't know how they do it! I mean, techie-ing takes up faaaar to much time already, but at least the bulk of it is concentrated into a little over one week of your life per show...

edit: although i must say, that my experience of actors backstage, 5 minutes before a show is that they do definitely temporarily lose 50 or more IQ points and become incapable of thinking... welll anything sensible very much... they do of course return entirely back to normal afterwards... :smile:

Reply 23

thefish_uk

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JohnStuartMill

Try learning that many lines in the space of time most actors at Cambridge have whilst also studying for their degree. It's not an easy thing to do.

Hey I wasn't blaming them, I quite admire them... I was just saying actors aren't stupid at all, just many techies consider them so because they can spoil their carefully worked out plans.

Reply 24

groovy_moose

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i don't know any techie who genuinely think actors are stupid - they might complain about them, as you say, spoiling their carefully thought out plans, but it's only ever in jest...

Reply 25

thefish_uk

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groovy_moose

i don't know any techie who genuinely think actors are stupid - they might complain about them, as you say, spoiling their carefully thought out plans, but it's only ever in jest...

Yeah fair enough.

My techie friends at school hated actors and always slagged off their plays. "Don't go and see whatever, it's ****"

Reply 26

Schott

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Yeah, mostly agree with most of the claims on this thread.

Homerton used to be a teacher training college and thus carries the old reputation even though it's now totally irrelevant.

The joint honours Education Studies combos are an ACADEMIC degree - they do NOT teach you how to be a teacher. Nor do many of the graduates wish to necessarily go into teaching - I know I don't! It's more concerned with psychology, history and politics which are all subjects which are in other Oxbridge degrees.

The offer is now almost always AAA and the majority of the colleges now accept applications for the Education combos.

The BBB/BBC offers simply do not exist anymore. They were not even for the same course that now exists.

One of the outstanding benefits of Homerton is that its Drama Society is the best in Cambridge and opens up immense doorways into television and broadcasting etc.

The students studying there have to get exactly the same grades as other applicants, and indeed often do in fact more A levels than other subjects.

I agree therefore with the idea that in 20 years it will probably be considered equal with others, though it should be already. My History lectures will the shared with many of the straight History sudents and thus there's no difference. It's a college actually making a name for itself rather than resting on old reputations.

Reply 27

Llamaaa

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just to clarify, although the BBB/BBC offers are not widely given, I personally know two people who got offers for education studies and drama for BBB and that isn't because they are outstanding because they are not (GCSEs, As, Bs and Cs, AS levels BBCC, predicted grades BBB)

Reply 28

Schott

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Yes, but that was for a different course, NOT the course which now exists. :smile:

BBB offers were given for Route 2 courses, which have been,over the last few years, abolished. 2007 entry is the first year of the new degree, and thus hopefully the end to all old prejudices and myths.

Wayhay!

Reply 29

Llamaaa

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I meant this year. That's why I said it. They are for 2007 entry. So BBB/BBC offers do still exist

Reply 30

Schott

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Blimey. Well I'll admit it when I'm wrong, coz I certainly didn't realise they still did that. I assume your friend is probably a really good applicant :smile:

.

Reply 31

Llamaaa

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unfortunately not- everyone told them not to bother applying to cambridge because they are just not cambridge material. lol. Nobody can explain how they got in, but I think it was a freak occurence. Homerton aren't in the habit of making those offers anymore, like you said

Reply 32

IronicDory

Well I think thats good if they see potential in them. Is it for the BA? Just so i can totally get my facts right.

I hope Dr Stephenson wasn't lying to me - don't know whether I can trust someone who introduced themselves as 'What do I do? Well, actually I'm pretty important.' :smile:

Reply 33

boomboomboom

such conditions dont exist even for education studies. it says on their website that all offers are AAA and may be lower in exceptional circumstances, but A is still required in a subject that is to be studied.
http://www.homerton.cam.ac.uk/admissions/subjects/education_studies.html

Reply 34

OldMan

helenkr

it's true- they make very low offers such as BBC or BBB for education which makes other colleges look down on them a little. Plus it's only really been an academic college for about 5 years whereas other colleges have hundreds of years of reputation. And it's really far away.

And going back further offers were much lower still - I had a friend who got in with DDE. This was a long time ago, and Homerton has changed completely but these perceptions take a long time to change.
(If I were not involved with Cambridge again I might not have realised myself, and unfortunately it is people of my generation who may well be looking at people's job applications).

Reply 35

boomboomboom

OldMan

And going back further offers were much lower still - I had a friend who got in with DDE. This was a long time ago, and Homerton has changed completely but these perceptions take a long time to change.
(If I were not involved with Cambridge again I might not have realised myself, and unfortunately it is people of my generation who may well be looking at people's job applications).

i have actually considered that as well. when you apply for jobs, they dont usually ask for the college you went to. it is usually that you might choose to write the college down on your CV(obviously it would look impressive to put down that you went to trinity). it is getting harder and harder to get in homerton, well for my course, which is economics. they still take most of the people from the pool though, because the quality of students applying to homerton is not really usually high. Looking at statistics education studies isnt that hard to get in. Homerton's intake for education studies is still big, like 40%. yes maybe employers will look down on education studies, but i m not sure about other subjects, which have AAA requirement. In about 10 years it will get cambridge reputation so i wouldnt worry about it. robinson and churchill have done pretty good, despite being modern and starting from the scratch unlike homerton did.

Reply 36

Schott

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This is not to say that anyone at all should even need to, BUT for Part II in the third year Education Studies students always have the option to transfer solely to their specialist subject and thus abandon the Education Studies, so there are ways of making your degree better and indeed more varied. You can also even change to other subjects not directly related to your own, so there are still many different opportunities once you are there.

And of course, you can do a Masters afterwards there in a number of different subjects and so the fact that you entered for Education Studies is not really such a big deal. I'm content with the fact I need to get AAA just like the majority of other applicants for other subjects, so once (hopefully) I am actually there no one will have a legitimate leg to stand on with criticism I would hope :-)

Reply 37

thefish_uk

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boomboomboom

robinson and churchill have done pretty good, despite being modern and starting from the scratch unlike homerton did.

We have Konnie Huq and Robert Webb. Woo!

I put on my CV that I am studying Engineering at Robinson College, University of Cambridge... without the name of the college it just doesn't seem complete, yknow?

Reply 38

boomboomboom

thefish_uk

We have Konnie Huq and Robert Webb. Woo!

I put on my CV that I am studying Engineering at Robinson College, University of Cambridge... without the name of the college it just doesn't seem complete, yknow?

does it? oh well i graduate in 2010, so maybe by that time 10 years were enough to charge perceptions.

Reply 39

IronicDory

Boomboomboom, although Homerton is considered to be an education college. As you are not studying education they will not consider you in that light. Trust.

(goes into dramatic mode)

I imagine it a bit like this:

employer: Homerton? Isn't that an education college of some sort?
boomboomboom: It used to be, but since 2003 (I just made that date up) it has been fully accepted into the University and accepts academic students.
employer: how interesting.

so, don't worry.

Why is Homerton disliked so much & consider it to be 'lower' than other colleges?

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