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c2 differentiation question help please

Given that y=5x2+ax+b y=5x^{2}+ax+b has a turning point at (b,a) where a0 a\neq 0 find a and b.


need help hints on what to do

this what i have done

dydx=10x+a \frac{\mathrm{d} y}{\mathrm{d} x}=10x+a
put derivative=0
a=10xa=-10x or x=a10 x=-\frac{a}{10}

sub a into f(x)

5×(a10)2+(a×a10)+b 5\times (-\frac{a}{10})^{2}+(a\times-\frac{a}{10})+b
5a2100a210+b \frac{5a^{2}}{100} -\frac{a^{2}}{10}+b


please help thanks
Reply 1
As the turning point is (b, a) you know that -a/10 = b, so can eliminate b. Also that last expression you have is equal to the y value at that point which is a. Thus you can form a quadratic in a and solve for it.
Reply 2
Sorry i still dont understand how did you get b=-a/10

i got b=a220 b = \frac{a^{2}}{20}
let f(x)=0
5a2100a210+b=0 \frac{5a^{2}}{100} -\frac{a^{2}}{10}+b = 0

5a2100a210=b \frac{5a^{2}}{100} -\frac{a^{2}}{10}=-b

(5a2100a210)=b -(\frac{5a^{2}}{100} -\frac{a^{2}}{10}) = b

a2105a2100=b \frac{a^{2}}{10} -\frac{5a^{2}}{100} =b


where am i going wrong
(edited 8 years ago)
Reply 3
Original post by bigmansouf
Sorry i still dont understand how did you get b=-a/10

i got b=a220 b = \frac{a^{2}}{20}
let f(x)=0
5a2100a210+b=0 \frac{5a^{2}}{100} -\frac{a^{2}}{10}+b = 0

5a2100a210=b \frac{5a^{2}}{100} -\frac{a^{2}}{10}=-b

(5a2100a210)=b -(\frac{5a^{2}}{100} -\frac{a^{2}}{10}) = b

a2105a2100=b \frac{a^{2}}{10} -\frac{5a^{2}}{100} =b


where am i going wrong


Why have you set f(x) = 0? That tells you where f(x) crosses the axis, not where it has a turning point!

You showed that at a turning point you need x = -a/10. However, the question tells you that the turning point is at (b, a) i.e. x = b and y = a.

So this tells you 2 things:

x = b and x = -a/10 are the same coordinate i.e. b = -a/10

and

f(b) = a because the point (b, a) lies on the curve.

Can you solve from there?
Reply 4
Original post by davros
Why have you set f(x) = 0? That tells you where f(x) crosses the axis, not where it has a turning point!

You showed that at a turning point you need x = -a/10. However, the question tells you that the turning point is at (b, a) i.e. x = b and y = a.

So this tells you 2 things:

x = b and x = -a/10 are the same coordinate i.e. b = -a/10

and

f(b) = a because the point (b, a) lies on the curve.

Can you solve from there?


thanks solved it

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