Why are people saying Jeremy Corbyn would keep Labour out of power for a generation?

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Why are people saying this? What is so wrong with Jeremy Corbyn's views and policies that he would destroy the Labour party and keep them out of power for years to come? To me, he is the only one of the 4 candidates that is offering real hope and a real alternative to Tory austerity. He is the only one who gets people's needs and doesn't live in the Westminster bubble. He is the only person who can bring back the true core values to the Labour party and give the change that the party desperately needs. To me, it seems strange that this will apparently keep the Labour party out of power for a generation, and even potentially cause the death of the Labour party altogether.
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I really don't get the idea. Clearly he has public support so he actually could win. It's a bit bizarre to say he is unelectable even though he clearly has the support of a lot of people. Last I checked that made you electable. He isn't Nick clegg.
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Ostensibly, he is by far the best candidate for the job. It appears people have been so ensnared by Tory propaganda that any sniff of an attempt for an egalitarian society is deemed foolish or 'pie in the sky'. All this despite the fact that his economic proposals are the mainstream consensus of learned men on the subject.

You're quite right - claims that he'll keep the Labour party out for a generation are absurd. I think it's testament to his charisma and appeal that they feel the need to scare-monger.

Completely agree with you.
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Yeah unfortunately the majority of the electorate aren't students and trade union dinosaurs. Among these two groups he has tons of support.

How do you suppose Corbyn will gain much-needed votes from people who voted Conservative or UKIP this year? And why would the country vote for a socialist when it's doing well? You talk about "Tory austerity" like we're Greece or something. If you want to know what a country on its arse looks like, go back to 2008. It was actually difficult to get a job then. In 2015 it's a piece of piss. If you disagree with that then why do you support unlimited immigration?

If you lot genuinely think that Corbyn would win a general election, go from door to door in your local area and tell the people who answer that we must give back The Falklands and that the IRA were great when they were bombing Brighton and Manchester and the US should be compared with ISIS, before declaring "All wars have to end in some kind of political compromise".

Go on....try it. These are Corbyn's views. Endorse them door-to-door. Find out how much of the electorate supports these ideals.
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Yeah unfortunately the majority of the electorate aren't students and trade union dinosaurs. Among these two groups he has tons of support.

How do you suppose Corbyn will gain much-needed votes from people who voted Conservative or UKIP this year? And why would the country vote for a socialist when it's doing well? You talk about "Tory austerity" like we're Greece or something. If you want to know what a country on its arse looks like, go back to 2008. It was actually difficult to get a job then. In 2015 it's a piece of piss. If you disagree with that then why do you support unlimited immigration?

If you lot genuinely think that Corbyn would win a general election, go from door to door in your local area and them that we must give back The Falklands and that the IRA were great when they were bombing Brighton and Manchester and the US should be compared with ISIS, before declaring "All wars have to end in some kind of political compromise".

Go on....try it. These are Corbyn's views. Endorse them door-to-door. Find out how much of the electorate supports these ideals.
I think he would definitely gain the support of a lot of UKIP supporters. A lot of people who voted UKIP felt like politics as it was, wasn't working, and voted for someone they felt listened to their concerns. I think Corbyn in that sense is similar, he sounds like he is actually listening. Let's not forget that the largest group in the electorate is those that don't vote at all - we don't know what Corbyn as leader would do for them. I think a huge difference with Corbyn is he offers something different to what we've been hearing for years.

As for your other comments, I think it's clear Corbyn didn't support the bombings, he is however more willing to come to peaceful conclusions to conflict. What you are demonstrating there is the Daily Mail and various other press's version of Corbyn's views.
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(Original post by snowman77)
Why are people saying this? What is so wrong with Jeremy Corbyn's views and policies that he would destroy the Labour party and keep them out of power for years to come? To me, he is the only one of the 4 candidates that is offering real hope and a real alternative to Tory austerity. He is the only one who gets people's needs and doesn't live in the Westminster bubble. He is the only person who can bring back the true core values to the Labour party and give the change that the party desperately needs. To me, it seems strange that this will apparently keep the Labour party out of power for a generation, and even potentially cause the death of the Labour party altogether.
The question is whether an alternative is desired and whether austerity will be finished.

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I really don't get the idea. Clearly he has public support so he actually could win. It's a bit bizarre to say he is unelectable even though he clearly has the support of a lot of people. Last I checked that made you electable. He isn't Nick clegg.
Does he have public support? While he certainly has support within Labour the Tories are polling as much as 14% ahead with only 22% of the public currently saying they think he'd be the best PM.

Corbynmania is firmly trapped in the Labour party right now and if you make the mistake of preaching to the converted, you'll lose.

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My own opinion is that a lot of what Corbyn talks about is fighting the 2015 election, especially if the Tories achieve surplus in 2019. I also think that while he may gain some traction on the economy, he's a very easy target on issues like the Falklands, the union and his Republicanism. He's also very out of touch on immigration.

Remember that in 2011 Miliband averaged 39% in the polls, he shed votes through his tenure and while Corbyn may gain some Green and SNP votes I expect by the end that there will be net swings to the Tories and Lib. I dare say he may even lose votes on 2015.
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Does he have public support? While he certainly has support within Labour the Tories are polling as much as 14% ahead with only 22% of the public currently saying they think he'd be the best PM.

Corbynmania is firmly trapped in the Labour party right now and if you make the mistake of preaching to the converted, you'll lose.

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My own opinion is that a lot of what Corbyn talks about is fighting the 2015 election, especially if the Tories achieve surplus in 2019. I also think that while he may gain some traction on the economy, he's a very easy target on issues like the Falklands, the union and his Republicanism. He's also very out of touch on immigration.

Remember that in 2011 Miliband averaged 39% in the polls, he shed votes through his tenure and while Corbyn may gain some Green and SNP votes I expect by the end that there will be net swings to the Tories and Lib. I dare say he may even lose votes on 2015.
I will have to edit my original post. I meant to say support of some of his policies is good with the public.

But yes the Falklands and other such issues are going to be something he will have to face if he becomes labour leader.
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Because anyone who goes against the neo-liberal, smug consensus will automatically be branded a half-wit. People should not allow themselves to be told what to think, this is a peoples movement.
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Because anyone who goes against the neo-liberal, smug consensus will automatically be branded a half-wit.
This.

Also worth noting that no one in politics these days has the conviction, drive or faith in their own ideas to convice people they are right, they'd rather take the easy road and enjoy the feedback loop that is current political discourse.
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Things change very quickly in politics, this stuff about "out of power for a generation" is just nonsense, say Labour lose, the Tories win a third term with a large term and then a recession hits, unemployment shoots up and the deficit shoots back up, Labour elects a new leader, the Tories will not be able to rely on "well a few years ago, Jeremy Corbyn was leader of the Opposition, so vote for us".
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He wouldn't stay on after losing an election so at most you could say he would result in Labour losing in 2020. If Labour actually lost seats to the Tories in 2020 then you could say with more confidence that they wouldn't get in in 2025.
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Things change very quickly in politics, this stuff about "out of power for a generation" is just nonsense, say Labour lose, the Tories win a third term with a large term and then a recession hits, unemployment shoots up and the deficit shoots back up, Labour elects a new leader, the Tories will not be able to rely on "well a few years ago, Jeremy Corbyn was leader of the Opposition, so vote for us".
This is a very naive view.

Look at what Jeremy wants to do - allow grassroots to dictate labour policy. This is, as they say 'letting the trots in'. Similarly, he has suggested deselecting those who don't vote with him in the commons, and his supporters are braying for those to the right of the party to be deselected. What he will do is ensure that all candidates from now on share his political beliefs - ie shift the party left and make it unelectable.

That doesn't just go away in a few years, it requires a complete overhaul of the party to put right - ie decades. Read your history - Kinnock had to totally overhaul the party and kick all the trots out to make it electable again. Or the Labour Party may just die. We shall see.
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He wouldn't stay on after losing an election so at most you could say he would result in Labour losing in 2020. If Labour actually lost seats to the Tories in 2020 then you could say with more confidence that they wouldn't get in in 2025.
See my above post.

Even with a year as leader he could do irreparable damage.
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See my above post.

Even with a year as leader he could do irreparable damage.
I hope you are right but I don't see it being as permanent as you think it would.
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People need to be realistic, Corbyn is NOT Prime Minister material. There is not a snowball in hells chance of him ever being PM. Therefore, to elect him as Labour leader is bad news for everyone. It clobbers the parliamentary process and removes choice. To pretend that having Corbyn's views put forward will provide more options for the electorate is rather short-sighted as realistically, there are not enough supporters to create change. Corbyn is an idealist and the only people who will support his views are the young and the dumb. The Tories are currently rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of such a man leading the Opposition... easy meat!

For god's sake, the man is a socialist. Nothing else need be said.
What ****ing choice? I see very little difference between New Labour and the Conservatives.
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I hope you are right but I don't see it being as permanent as you think it would.
Just look at what happened in the 70s/80s

The Corbyn supporters are already baying for the blood of those deemed not left wing enough.

The lib dems must be having a field day.
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What ****ing choice? I see very little difference between New Labour and the Conservatives.
Sit down and make a list of what each acheived when they were in power, and then come back and say that again.
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Because that's what the Tory press says. But it is clearly not true given his huge support and the crowds that gather to hear him speak. Most of his policies, e.g. renationalisation of the railways, are also popular [though I would point out that the Green Party said pretty much exactly what Corbyn was saying at the time of the election, so if people wanted this, they should have all voted Green].
As it is, I don't think he will win because the party is kicking out anyone who might vote for him. It is being grossly rigged, and if Yvette Cooper, Andy Burnham or Liz Kendall wins, I hope they feel good knowing they only won due to this.
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(Original post by mojojojo101)
This.

Also worth noting that no one in politics these days has the conviction, drive or faith in their own ideas to convice people they are right, they'd rather take the easy road and enjoy the feedback loop that is current political discourse.
Gove?

Love him or loath him but he challenged the consensus in education and had the conviction to say that is what he believed and why.

(Original post by MagicNMedicine)
Things change very quickly in politics, this stuff about "out of power for a generation" is just nonsense, say Labour lose, the Tories win a third term with a large term and then a recession hits, unemployment shoots up and the deficit shoots back up, Labour elects a new leader, the Tories will not be able to rely on "well a few years ago, Jeremy Corbyn was leader of the Opposition, so vote for us".
While I too think talk of their demise is overdone I think the crux of the problem is that Corbyn leaks votes on net to the Tories and Libs (possible even if he takes Green and SNP votes) by 2020 then Labour will go into 2025 needing more than 100 seats. That's a huge task.
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Because that's what the Tory press says. But it is clearly not true given his huge support and the crowds that gather to hear him speak. Most of his policies, e.g. renationalisation of the railways, are also popular [though I would point out that the Green Party said pretty much exactly what Corbyn was saying at the time of the election, so if people wanted this, they should have all voted Green].
As it is, I don't think he will win because the party is kicking out anyone who might vote for him. It is being grossly rigged, and if Yvette Cooper, Andy Burnham or Liz Kendall wins, I hope they feel good knowing they only won due to this.
The people being kicked out are either not registered to vote or didn't vote labour last election. That seems perfectly reasonable to me and is literally written in the terms and conditions when you join!
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