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Following raw information from ARD has some pretty interesting points:

Democratically elected Mohammad Mosaddegh wanted to nationalize Iranian oil. 90% of oil sold in Europe was Iranian at that time . Britain felt threat to its monopoly on Iranian oil. USA and Britain later overthrew Mosaddegh using well planned putsch.
Mosaddegh was a well known venerator of american democracy but it did not help him because it was unacceptable for a head of state of third world country to politically interfere financial interests of the West. After 60 years CIA revealed the documents proofing that the overthrow of Mosaddegh was planned by British and US government - "Operation Boot" and "TRAPJAX project".
If there was no putsch against Mossaddegh, there would have been no Islamic revolution in 1979 in Iran. This revolution lead to further problems in middle east such as war between Iran and Iraq.

Dictator Hussein would have been defeated in the war against Iran if the West stopped financing and supplying him with arms including toxic gas from Germany for years. Toxic gas was used against Iranian soldiers on the front and Kurds in 1989 - it was well known in the west but was absolutely ignored and was not informed to the public. Until 1990 when Saddam Hussein "broke the taboo" and invaded "American gas station" - Kuwait, the West suddenly starts to portray Saddam Hussein as a Second Hitler.

USA supported Mojahed and taliban in Afganistan because they wanted to arrange USSR the same thing that America experienced in Vietnam. Washington armed these fundamental islamists but this fact was not significant for them.

9/11 would have not happened if USA stopped arming and financing Osama Bin laden for years as the main fighter against "soviet invaders" in Afghanistan.

The most fatal mistake of USA after overthrowing Saddam Hussein was that it disbanded army, special forces and Hussein's party in Iraq. In one night 100,000 Sunni became unemployed who had gone into hiding and can be seen in the ranks of Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant today.
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Your wrong about the taliban and bin Laden. The Taliban did not exist in the 80s and did not fight the ussr.

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Is the Russian military still suffering from huge levels of corruption and alcoholism?
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Is the Russian military still suffering from huge levels of corruption and alcoholism?
You mad bro?
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Good America is evil
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Your wrong about the taliban and bin Laden. The Taliban did not exist in the 80s and did not fight the ussr.

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Go to Wikipedia, Taliban and history section
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Good America is evil
What do you mean? Combination of "good" and "evil" makes me think that you are being sarcastic.
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Go to Wikipedia, Taliban and history section
You mean this bit?

In 1991, the Taliban (a movement originating from Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam-run religious schools for Afghan refugees in Pakistan) also developed in Afghanistan as a politico-religious force.[65] Mullah Omar started his movement with fewer than 50 armed madrassah students in his hometown of Kandahar.[65] The most often-repeated story and the Taliban's own story of how Mullah Omar first mobilized his followers is that in the spring of 1994, neighbors in Singesar told him that the local governor had abducted two teenage girls, shaved their heads, and taken them to a camp where they were raped. 30 Taliban (with only 16 rifles) freed the girls, and hanged the governor from the barrel of a tank. Later that year, two militia commanders killed civilians while fighting for the right to sodomize a young boy. The Taliban freed him.[65][66]

Or perhaps this bit?

The Taliban's first major military activity was in 1994, when they marched northward from Maiwand and captured Kandahar City and the surrounding provinces, losing only a few dozen men

Given that the Soviets left Afghanistan in 1988, I'm struggling to see how the Taliban fought the USSR? Whilst there was some overlap in fighters and leaders the Taliban was very different from the Mujhadeen.

The US also never funded Bin Laden. Bin Laden vastly over estimated his own role in the fight against the USSR. The group he formed was made up of Arabs and was generally disparaged by the Mujhadeen.
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You mean this bit?

In 1991, the Taliban (a movement originating from Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam-run religious schools for Afghan refugees in Pakistan) also developed in Afghanistan as a politico-religious force.[65] Mullah Omar started his movement with fewer than 50 armed madrassah students in his hometown of Kandahar.[65] The most often-repeated story and the Taliban's own story of how Mullah Omar first mobilized his followers is that in the spring of 1994, neighbors in Singesar told him that the local governor had abducted two teenage girls, shaved their heads, and taken them to a camp where they were raped. 30 Taliban (with only 16 rifles) freed the girls, and hanged the governor from the barrel of a tank. Later that year, two militia commanders killed civilians while fighting for the right to sodomize a young boy. The Taliban freed him.[65][66]

Or perhaps this bit?

The Taliban's first major military activity was in 1994, when they marched northward from Maiwand and captured Kandahar City and the surrounding provinces, losing only a few dozen men

Given that the Soviets left Afghanistan in 1988, I'm struggling to see how the Taliban fought the USSR? Whilst there was some overlap in fighters and leaders the Taliban was very different from the Mujhadeen.

The US also never funded Bin Laden. Bin Laden vastly over estimated his own role in the fight against the USSR. The group he formed was made up of Arabs and was generally disparaged by the Mujhadeen.
it was the second paragraph, read the first paragraph under the name "the Beginning".

Plus have a look at Operation Cyclone

The origins of al-Qaeda as a network inspiring terrorism around the world and training operatives can be traced to the Soviet War in Afghanistan(December 1979 – February 1989).[28] The US viewed the conflict in Afghanistan, with the Afghan Marxists and allied Soviet troops on one side and the native Afghan mujahideen, some of whom were radical Islamic militants, on the other, as a blatant case of Soviet expansionism and aggression. A CIA program called Operation Cyclone channeled funds through Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency to the Afghan Mujahideen who were fighting the Soviet occupation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda#History
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it was the second paragraph, read the first paragraph under the name "the Beginning".

Plus have a look at Operation Cyclone

The origins of al-Qaeda as a network inspiring terrorism around the world and training operatives can be traced to the Soviet War in Afghanistan(December 1979 – February 1989).[28] The US viewed the conflict in Afghanistan, with the Afghan Marxists and allied Soviet troops on one side and the native Afghan mujahideen, some of whom were radical Islamic militants, on the other, as a blatant case of Soviet expansionism and aggression. A CIA program called Operation Cyclone channeled funds through Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency to the Afghan Mujahideen who were fighting the Soviet occupation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda#History
Russian troops have recently been very heavily involved in organised child abuse.
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it was the second paragraph, read the first paragraph under the name "the Beginning".

Plus have a look at Operation Cyclone

The origins of al-Qaeda as a network inspiring terrorism around the world and training operatives can be traced to the Soviet War in Afghanistan(December 1979 – February 1989).[28] The US viewed the conflict in Afghanistan, with the Afghan Marxists and allied Soviet troops on one side and the native Afghan mujahideen, some of whom were radical Islamic militants, on the other, as a blatant case of Soviet expansionism and aggression. A CIA program called Operation Cyclone channeled funds through Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency to the Afghan Mujahideen who were fighting the Soviet occupation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda#History
Look to be perfectly honest if you actually want to understand this conflict I suggest you stop using Wikipedia. It's good for an overview but you are treating it as the ultimate authority. If you actually want to understand the topic I'd recommend reading Afghansty and The Looming Tower. That way you may actually be able to grasp events more firmly than the US created al qaeda/ funded the Taliban.
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Look to be perfectly honest if you actually want to understand this conflict I suggest you stop using Wikipedia. It's good for an overview but you are treating it as the ultimate authority. If you actually want to understand the topic I'd recommend reading Afghansty and The Looming Tower. That way you may actually be able to grasp events more firmly than the US created al qaeda/ funded the Taliban.
It is one of the sources of information that I use. US funded the Taliban (mujaheddin) because of the "Soviet threat" in Afghanistan.

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It is one of the sources of information that I use. US funded the Taliban (mujaheddin) because of the "Soviet threat" in Afghanistan.

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And none of that went to Bin Laden. It was in fact directed almost entirely through the ISI. The US had little to no say over where the money went. As I said as well, Bin Laden's role in the fighting was vastly overblown. He and his Arabs did very little and were looked down upon by the predominantly Afghan Mujhadeen.

Secondly stop saying the Mujhadeen and Taliban are the same thing. They are not, you are completely wrong in that assumption. Even your iwki page clearly has the formation date as being in the 90's.

Bin Laden was also not a member of the Taliban. al Qaeda was a different organisation that was given shelter by the Taliban. Anyway I think I'm done replying to you on this topic.
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