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You may remember this statement in the Political Compass test, which respondents were asked to agree or disagree with:

'These days openness about sex has gone too far'

I imagine most people would agree that sexual education is fundamentally a good thing to nth degree, but what about sex in entertainment and the arts?

Miley Cyrus' new music video below, which simulates the act of facial ejaculation, (the white stuff makes it obvious what's going on, but the glitter ensures it remains weasel words for precisely this sort of criticism.)



This has been happening for a long time. I can't remember the last music video I watched that wasn't explicitly sexual. This is what millions of young girls will be waking up to - their idol simulating bukkake on herself.

I am not seeing history through rose-tinted lenses, but our media output and consumption and each new passing generation is becoming increasingly and more revoltingly sexualised by the year.

Everything has become an extension of internet porn. Singers now perform in concerts in nothing but skimpy, nude-coloured underwear, sticking their tongues out as they simulate doggystyle with another performer. Other singers can't make it through a music video without topless models bending over and shaking their breasts. Companies in Russia advertise their milk through simulating bukkake on the faces of young women. Adverts for Specsavers make use of a young woman violently twerking in front of a group of geriatrics, who soon follow suit. TV shows now openly feature panel members simulating blowjobs on each other. Dancing now consists of simulating doggystyle. Parties now consist of simulating the facial cumshot via champagne. On social media we see girls especially, often terribly young, adopting transparently porngraphic and degrading poses to be 'in' on it all.

What saddens and disappoints me most of all is that even highly intelligent people embrace this rot, and any protest against it earns you a reputation for being a puritanical killjoy. If you can't enjoy yourself without watching or simulating what is essentially porn, doesn't that make you the boring one?

Do you see a problem here? What has caused it? Why is pop music so obsessed with sex? Should we do anything to re-direct society away from this revolting slide? If so, what? If not, why not?

Just thinking aloud. I think this is all pretty disgusting and depressing.
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I think it's good that society is more open about sex. There needs to be less misinformation and stigma surrounding sex as it's completely natural, although I do concede that it needs to be integrated with more dignity.
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While I'm generally one to agree that we've seen a cultural and moral degeneracy I don't actually have a problem with this.

Sex is a natural act and selling a product is the role of marketing. Sex sells.
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What has caused it? It's pretty simple: the demise of any notion of an absolute morality (formerly religion). I'm not religious - not even close - however, I can see the benefit in a moral code everyone subscribes to. Morality has been privatised and it has been privatised by the very same people who complain incessantly about the privatisation of wealth. Moral relativism is the new national religion, feelings are the new logic and logic is the new blasphemy.
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Which is why I don't think its all that crazy to have a bit of Sharia Law. The free and easy society is full of double standards and hypocrisy anyway as the likes of the ugly, the old and the abnormal are not really included at the 'party'. I think just recently the book 50 Shades of Grey has appeared on the shelves of Tesco, as if it were a run of the mill piece of literature in full view of children and the elderly aswell.

The moral degradation has now been allowed to encroach in to serious things like education (people like Carol Vorderman fetishising Maths of all things) and the news - the standards of dress and spoken English among the presenters has declined significantly in the last 20 years. Get these sluts out of the media, stop using filth to advertise groceries and anybody who wants to go out of their way to see such stuff should have to pay for it.
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Which is why I don't think its all that crazy to have a bit of Sharia Law. The free and easy society is full of double standards and hypocrisy anyway as the likes of the ugly, the old and the abnormal are not really included at the 'party'. I think just recently the book 50 Shades of Grey has appeared on the shelves of Tesco, as if it were a run of the mill piece of literature in full view of children and the elderly aswell.

The moral degradation has now been allowed to encroach in to serious things like education (people like Carol Vorderman fetishising Maths of all things) and the news - the standards of dress and spoken English among the presenters has declined significantly in the last 20 years. Get these sluts out of the media, stop using filth to advertise groceries and anybody who wants to go out of their way to see such stuff should have to pay for it.
Sharia law is an inevitable outcome any way. People are crying out for moral guidance, or something bigger than themselves, and society hasn't been this apathetic, or rudderless, or nihilistic, for a very long time.

At least Islam is culture-centric and the UK, having been compelled into a situation where its culture has been eroded by state-sponsored messaging designed to invoke self-loathing, is absolutely ripe for the picking and the imposition of a clearly defined value system, even if that value system is abhorrent or opposed to everything it used to stand for.

Muslims are far, far more adherent to their value system than we are to ours. For that reason alone they'll inevitably get their way. We aren't willing to defend what we've got, or what we stand for (simply because we don't stand for anything anymore, we've got nothing).
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Well, as much as I shake my head at what pop culture and the arts are becoming, it's a free world with free expression, in the end.

As society becomes freer and relaxes more traditional taboos, people are becoming more open, more daring, and more willing to shock for pleasure and attention. I think in a world where people are so desperate for fame, money, and popularity, many feel that the only way to express themselves is to expose themselves garishly and be risque. But for a lot of young women (and some men), this is all they really have to offer, and is sadly what gives them a sense of esteem. Sex will always sell, and being 'sexy' and inappropriate is easier and more appealing to the common person/consumer than being genuinely interesting or challenging.
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their idol simulating bukkake on herself
fav. quote. eva.
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Sex is natural-yes but as with most things of this nature, there has to be a line somewhere and i agree with the OP that that line has been crossed
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(Original post by Birkenhead)
You may remember this statement in the Political Compass test, which respondents were asked to agree or disagree with:

'These days openness about sex has gone too far'

I imagine most people would agree that sexual education is fundamentally a good thing to nth degree, but what about sex in entertainment and the arts?

Miley Cyrus' new music video below, which simulates the act of facial ejaculation, (the white stuff makes it obvious what's going on, but the glitter ensures it remains weasel words for precisely this sort of criticism.)



This has been happening for a long time. I can't remember the last music video I watched that wasn't explicitly sexual. This is what millions of young girls will be waking up to - their idol simulating bukkake on herself.

I am not seeing history through rose-tinted lenses, but our media output and consumption and each new passing generation is becoming increasingly and more revoltingly sexualised by the year.

Everything has become an extension of internet porn. Singers now perform in concerts in nothing but skimpy, nude-coloured underwear, sticking their tongues out as they simulate doggystyle with another performer. Other singers can't make it through a music video without topless models bending over and shaking their breasts. Companies in Russia advertise their milk through simulating bukkake on the faces of young women. Adverts for Specsavers make use of a young woman violently twerking in front of a group of geriatrics, who soon follow suit. TV shows now openly feature panel members simulating blowjobs on each other. Dancing now consists of simulating doggystyle. Parties now consist of simulating the facial cumshot via champagne. On social media we see girls especially, often terribly young, adopting transparently porngraphic and degrading poses to be 'in' on it all.

What saddens and disappoints me most of all is that even highly intelligent people embrace this rot, and any protest against it earns you a reputation for being a puritanical killjoy. If you can't enjoy yourself without watching or simulating what is essentially porn, doesn't that make you the boring one?

Do you see a problem here? What has caused it? Why is pop music so obsessed with sex? Should we do anything to re-direct society away from this revolting slide? If so, what? If not, why not?

Just thinking aloud. I think this is all pretty disgusting and depressing.
I agree with everything you've just said. There's a point where it becomes too much, and the line was crossed long ago. I personally just avoid it, and I don't think there's much else that can be done because that's what the western world seems to endorse. And if the western world endorses it, what can we do? At the end of the day, people like us are going to be seen as the 'boring' ones who need to 'get laid' more or go to more parties (in their opinions), because that is the widespread opinion of society.

In conclusion, I believe all we can do is either ignore it, or move to a country that has adopted Sharia Law.
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It's fukin ******ed nowadays

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This is the product of a selfish society without morality. A lot of people seem to be happy with this because they are also hedonists and don't care about anything past their feelings. Unfortunately, this gives the rise to anti-modesty, philandering sexual pride and a generation of people who want to break conventional manners and politeness just to get noticed and to shock. This is the uglification of art, also. In the end, if you continue to give no counter to the progressives, you end up with this:

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And then you have girls who are just looking for attention: http://the1stclasslifestyle.com/dont...lfie-bent-sex/

"I know how I'll get it- I'll be shocking and unconventional". It never turns out well for them.
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That Miley Cyrus video is just vile. Pornography is one thing - it shouldn't be moving into mainstream media such as music videos etc. Videos like that shouldn't be on youtube tbh
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13 responses and 3 separate mentions of Sharia Law. Scary.
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(Original post by Birkenhead)
You may remember this statement in the Political Compass test, which respondents were asked to agree or disagree with:

'These days openness about sex has gone too far'

I imagine most people would agree that sexual education is fundamentally a good thing to nth degree, but what about sex in entertainment and the arts?

Miley Cyrus' new music video below, which simulates the act of facial ejaculation, (the white stuff makes it obvious what's going on, but the glitter ensures it remains weasel words for precisely this sort of criticism.)



This has been happening for a long time. I can't remember the last music video I watched that wasn't explicitly sexual. This is what millions of young girls will be waking up to - their idol simulating bukkake on herself.

I am not seeing history through rose-tinted lenses, but our media output and consumption and each new passing generation is becoming increasingly and more revoltingly sexualised by the year.

Everything has become an extension of internet porn. Singers now perform in concerts in nothing but skimpy, nude-coloured underwear, sticking their tongues out as they simulate doggystyle with another performer. Other singers can't make it through a music video without topless models bending over and shaking their breasts. Companies in Russia advertise their milk through simulating bukkake on the faces of young women. Adverts for Specsavers make use of a young woman violently twerking in front of a group of geriatrics, who soon follow suit. TV shows now openly feature panel members simulating blowjobs on each other. Dancing now consists of simulating doggystyle. Parties now consist of simulating the facial cumshot via champagne. On social media we see girls especially, often terribly young, adopting transparently porngraphic and degrading poses to be 'in' on it all.

What saddens and disappoints me most of all is that even highly intelligent people embrace this rot, and any protest against it earns you a reputation for being a puritanical killjoy. If you can't enjoy yourself without watching or simulating what is essentially porn, doesn't that make you the boring one?

Do you see a problem here? What has caused it? Why is pop music so obsessed with sex? Should we do anything to re-direct society away from this revolting slide? If so, what? If not, why not?

Just thinking aloud. I think this is all pretty disgusting and depressing.
I think its great. Sex is normal and natural and we should be far less prudish about it.

Certainly topless women should be treated the exact same as topless men. That's a sexist double standard we should put into law tomorrow.
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You see nothing wrong with the fact that music today most popularly consists of porn with underwear on? That a huge global star that millions and millions of young girls look up to makes music videos which feature one long close-up of her lower face being suggestively covered in white liquid? You don't see anything wrong with how increasingly prevalent and graphic sex is in all forms of media and entertainment?

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While I'm generally one to agree that we've seen a cultural and moral degeneracy I don't actually have a problem with this. Sex is a natural act and selling a product is the role of marketing. Sex sells.
Have you considered that making as much money as possible should not be the one defining principle of modern society?

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I think its great. Sex is normal and natural and we should be far less prudish about it.
Arguing that millions of our young daughters and sisters should not be seeing their idol having what would at points of this video be reasonably assumed to be semen poured down her face is not 'prudish' to even the sluttiest of persons, nor is it to encourage resistance to this sort of thinly veiled pornography permeating every area of modern life. To say it is is affectedly 'sex-positive'.

No-one is saying anything about sex not being normal or natural. No-one is saying that there is anything wrong with sex, or that it's something to be ashamed of. What is being said is that Western society has become obsessed with it, reliant on it and more and more so on a particular kind of pornographic imagery that almost always degrades the female. In this 'music' video, very little else happens other than Miley's lower face being suggestively covered in various sticky liquids. The result of our tolerance of such a prevalence and extremity of sex in the media is an addict's desensitisation, requiring more and more shocking imagery to elicit the original reaction, a lazy decay of artistic and cultural output as the sex becomes, as demonstrated here, enough on its own to attract millions of consumers and the brainwashing of minds, especially impressionable ones, into unhealthy porn-based attitudes about sex, themselves and other people.

There is nothing inherently wrong with alcohol or a whole host of other things, but consumed regularly and in large quantities and almost anything is bad for you. The situation with sex and society today is akin to the relationship between an alcoholic and alcohol. Nothing works as it does, more and more is needed exponentially and all personal output is decayed.

Certainly topless women should be treated the exact same as topless men. That's a sexist double standard we should put into law tomorrow.
Not sure what you mean here in relation to the OP
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13 responses and 3 separate mentions of Sharia Law. Scary.
I was wondering what the feck happened to my thread for a moment there...
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Have you considered that making as much money as possible should not be the one defining principle of modern society.
Ideally technological progress would be (space is near infinite) however of the total population there are maybe 10% of people who are capable of contributing to that and maybe another 10% employed in the relevant supply chain with another 10% needed for the public services of society.

That leaves a huge number surplus to requirements (probably both of us) and since I don't believe in a libertarian society where we all sit around the garden painting all day if we wish, the persuit of money at least gives most people something to aspire and something to lose to keep the masses in line.

But, I still think society is too reserved when it comes to sex.
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