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...courtesy of The Private Eye.

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Manufacturing consent. This isn't about having different philosophical positions based on objective facts. It's purely about manipulating public discourse to fit certain agendas. It is why Corbyn is most likely doomed if he does win.
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PRSOM.
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If you really cared about the press misrepresenting people in such ways then where were you when Farage was having it done to him?

Reminds me of when people were talking about the Tories getting a majority but only having thirty something percent of the vote and how it was unrepresentative and blah blah......yet not a single one of them said a thing when Labour got a majority on an even smaller percentage of the vote.

So it's not really complaints about an unfair press or a flawed system..........it's complaints about perceived slights against them, their views and their agendas, hidden behind a mask of a crusader.
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If you really cared about the press misrepresenting people in such ways then where were you when Farage was having it done to him?

Reminds me of when people were talking about the Tories getting a majority but only having thirty something percent of the vote and how it was unrepresentative and blah blah......yet not a single one of them said a thing when Labour got a majority on an even smaller percentage of the vote.

So it's not really complaints about an unfair press or a flawed system..........it's complaints about perceived slights against them, their views and their agendas, hidden behind a mask of a crusader.
I'm fairly sure I have pointed out unfair accusations against UKIP before. But they do not help themselves by actually having people in that party who are actually say racist bigoted things (including Farage). Plus I don't actually like what UKIP do stand for on the whole as I see it. I don't really feel the need to spend energy defending them as apposed to the left of the labour party.But I don't get engaged with calling UKIP a fascist party for example.

I'm consistently a supporter of PR and it is one area where I really dislike the labour party, they are as bad as the conservatives. Corbyn should be in a different party than Liz Kendall. It;s also somewhere where I bring up UKIP's near 4million votes and 1MP.

It clearly is an example of blatant manipulation of what people say to make headlines and stories that fit a narrative a paper wants to create with selective quoting and missing context and so on. It is a complaint against an unfair press or a flawed system. You're just doing what you say I'm doing with UKIP.
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(Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
...courtesy of The Private Eye.

How has the Guardian and the BBC fared in comparison? (Just wondering).
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Sad, but true. This isn't really unique to Jeremy Corbyn though, it's the treatment anybody who goes against the will of the political and economic Establishment and the Murdoch-press gets. Whenever anybody threatens their power, they use their influence to ruin them. They got Ed Miliband, now they're firing at Corbyn.
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It's not surprising that the majority of those headlines come from tabloids who distort words to generate sensationalist headlines for sales for uninformed readers...
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This is nothing compared to the personal attacks which will ensue if he wins..
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Shhh the press are balanced, they are only reflecting the public, they aren't putting forward their own opinions...
Isn't that right Davij?

I'd challenge anyone to look at that and see just how they've misrepresented Corbyn. And the fact that people on here believe it and accuse him of such things really does prove the influence of the press.
They can print outright lies and people believe it.
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Media misrepresentation of the things politicians say is just disgusting at times. Then they complain about bland politicians always making very guarded statements to the press.
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Shhh the press are balanced, they are only reflecting the public, they aren't putting forward their own opinions...
Isn't that right Davij?

I'd challenge anyone to look at that and see just how they've misrepresented Corbyn. And the fact that people on here believe it and accuse him of such things really does prove the influence of the press.
They can print outright lies and people believe it.
Much like how you claim Corbyns views are misrepresented, you've utterly misrepresented my views. I have never said that the mail etc doesn't have an agenda: merely that it is no way near as effective as you think it is in influencing other people.

As I say again and again- people stick to their own prejudices- chances are a well educated philosophy lecture doesn't just pick up the Mail and go 'ah it all makes sense' just as much as a bnp councillor won't pick up the guardian and conclude that 'immigration isn't that much of an issue after all' or whatever. Something made them choose that paper over others- even if it's just tits or football.

I think the Mail, the Express, The morning Star and the Mirror are awful so I choose not to read them. This isn't because I've been brainwashed by other papers but because I've read these papers and strongly disagreed with most of what they've Got to say.
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(Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
...courtesy of The Private Eye.

What about the "How the Tories are being misquoted in the press" or in any other way misleading headlines are being published, or any individual or party for that matter?
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(Original post by Plagioclase)
Sad, but true. This isn't really unique to Jeremy Corbyn though, it's the treatment anybody who goes against the will of the political and economic Establishment and the Murdoch-press gets. Whenever anybody threatens their power, they use their influence to ruin them. They got Ed Miliband, now they're firing at Corbyn.
Wait, so you honestly believe that the people of this country (except of course for you and those who are smart enough to agree with your views) are such a bunch of stupid derrrr brains that they can't make up their own minds about someone like Milliband by thinking by themselves? That the reason why they decided Milliband was unelectable was because Murdoch's papers did it for them because they're brainwashed idiots?

The irony being that people like you parrot The Guardian all day errrry day. Do you realise how much of a snobby, elitist knob you sound? Only you and those with your views are smart enough to use their own brains apparently.
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What about the "How the Tories are being misquoted in the press" or in any other way misleading headlines are being published, or any individual or party for that matter?
The Guardian and The Daily Mirror are not part of the press. They are a figment of your imagination because only Murdoch papers are the media.

The other thing you're forgetting is that people who read those papers have their views because they thought of them themselves while everyone else has their views because they're brainwashed.............
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Much like how you claim Corbyns views are misrepresented, you've utterly misrepresented my views. I have never said that the mail etc doesn't have an agenda: merely that it is no way near as effective as you think it is in influencing other people.

As I say again and again- people stick to their own prejudices- chances are a well educated philosophy lecture doesn't just pick up the Mail and go 'ah it all makes sense' just as much as a bnp councillor won't pick up the guardian and conclude that 'immigration isn't that much of an issue after all' or whatever. Something made them choose that paper over others- even if it's just tits or football.

I think the Mail, the Express, The morning Star and the Mirror are awful so I choose not to read them. This isn't because I've been brainwashed by other papers but because I've read these papers and strongly disagreed with most of what they've Got to say.
My comment was tongue in cheek, that much is obvious.
You're right - many people are set in their own views. But outside the politics bubble most are not. Most people don't think in terms of right wing v left wing or socialism v capitalism etc, they think in terms of issues not ideologies. A huge amount of people would not know what right or left wing meant, never mind which one they identified with. It's why you get plenty of people you'd consider traditionally left wing voting for UKIP - a right wing party.
That's not saying i'm better or smarter then anyone else, just that my passions lie in politics, many peoples don't and there's nothing wrong with that.

So yes, while someone who is very right wing won't read the Guardian, there are huge amounts of people who don't identify as right or left and they decide elections.
If you're neutral, or don't identify strongly you're bound to be influenced by what you read and hear on a daily basis. Most people don't think 'i'm right wing so i'll get the times' or 'i'm left wing so i'll get the mirror' - they get something easy to read.
You do know not everyone is a BNP councillor or Guardian reader? And you admit people buy papers for football. Well if they buy a paper for football and then start reading the rest of it- from a fairly neutral starting point then of course they will be influenced by what they read.

Just look at the Opening post here - look at how Corbyn's views are heavily misrepresented - you have misrepresented his views on Russia for a start. If people read the Mail, or the Express, or the Sun and see the sensationalist headlines and stories, they believe them. As evidenced by the hundreds of smear threads about Corbyn on here.

The media also largely sets the agenda of what's debated. They bring up stories, they make them big and they make politicians debate them. Notice the huge amount of focus on benefit cheats compared to the little coverage tax avoidance gets. For example. Despite the latter costing us over 100 times as much.

I've never said the media decide how every person votes as you've often accused me of - but rather they influence lots of people - especially those not inside the political bubble and push through their own agenda. It's not extreme to argue that people will be influenced by what they read and hear on a daily basis.
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(Original post by KimKallstrom)
Wait, so you honestly believe that the people of this country (except of course for you and those who are smart enough to agree with your views) are such a bunch of stupid derrrr brains that they can't make up their own minds about someone like Milliband by thinking by themselves? That the reason why they decided Milliband was unelectable was because Murdoch's papers did it for them because they're brainwashed idiots?

The irony being that people like you parrot The Guardian all day errrry day. Do you realise how much of a snobby, elitist knob you sound? Only you and those with your views are smart enough to use their own brains apparently.
If a person is only ever provided with a limited amount of information wrt a certain topic can it really be said they have made a free and informed decision?


This is how the press (of all shades) as well as plenty of other people in public life gain influence. They present the general public with a set of information that leads them down the path that they have chosen to lay out.
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Why did he mention women only carriages?

Because he doesn't understand feminism and hasn't attempted to ask the question "what is it like for most women?"

Also, I think it could be construed that quite possibly ISIS have done some potentially relatively negative things.
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What about the "How the Tories are being misquoted in the press" or in any other way misleading headlines are being published, or any individual or party for that matter?
Create your own thread for that rather then trying to divert attention away from this one.
(Please don't respond to this and take the thread further off topic)
Cheers.
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Wow If I listened to the media I would have thought Corbyn wanted female only transport.


By the way some radical feminists would actually support that, so long as if it wasn't a male who imposed it...
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