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1. Could anyone help me with this?

Find the integral of

Supposedly I could use a substitution and take it from there but this one seems a little tricky.
Any help appreciated!
2. (Original post by highestmountain)
Could anyone help me with this?

Find the integral of

Supposedly I could use a substitution and take it from there but this one seems a little tricky.
Any help appreciated!
Is 'a' a constant? If it is then this integral can be written in a simpler way

And this can be integrated using parts twice with something extra that you have to do at the end. Post your working if you get stuck.
3. (Original post by notnek)
Is 'a' a constant? If it is then this integral can be written in a simpler way

And this can be integrated using parts twice with something extra that you have to do at the end. Post your working if you get stuck.
Hi, I'm a GCSE student so I have no idea if this is right or not, so could you check the first two lines of my working please? It's here --->
4. (Original post by Dingooose)
Hi, I'm a GCSE student so I have no idea if this is right or not, so could you check the first two lines of my working please? It's here --->
It's nearly correct but you've lost the 'c' from the brackets of the trig function.

5. (Original post by notnek)
It's nearly correct but you've lost the 'c' from the brackets of the trig function.

Ah yes of course, thanks. But where would I go from there?
6. (Original post by Dingooose)
Ah yes of course, thanks. But where would I go from there?
Use integration by parts again. It will feel like you're going in circles if you do it correctly. But there's a trick:

Notice that you have the same integral on the left and the right of the equation and think how you can rearrange.

Post your working if you get stuck.

Edit : Since you're not the OP, please wait for the OP to respond before posting your working. Alternatively start a new thread or pm me.
7. (Original post by Dingooose)
Hi, I'm a GCSE student so I have no idea if this is right or not, so could you check the first two lines of my working please? It's here --->
why are you doing this level of calculus if you are a GCSE student ?
8. (Original post by the bear)
why are you doing this level of calculus if you are a GCSE student ?
I'm not OP, and I came across this thread by chance. I'm just kinda interested I guess. I certainly don't need this level of calculus as a GCSE student, but nobody is ever too young to do maths.
9. (Original post by notnek)
Use integration by parts again. It will feel like you're going in circles if you do it correctly. But there's a trick:

Notice that you have the same integral on the left and the right of the equation and think how you can rearrange.

Post your working if you get stuck.

Edit : Since you're not the OP, please wait for the OP to respond before posting your working. Alternatively start a new thread or pm me.
I can't upload a pic and send it to you via PM it seems.
10. (Original post by Dingooose)
I can't upload a pic and send it to you via PM it seems.
Typing it should be fine. E.g. you can write maths like this : e^x * sin(cx)
11. (Original post by notnek)
Typing it should be fine. E.g. you can write maths like this : e^x * sin(cx)
Thanks, I sent you a PM.
12. (Original post by notnek)
Is 'a' a constant? If it is then this integral can be written in a simpler way

And this can be integrated using parts twice with something extra that you have to do at the end. Post your working if you get stuck.
= ?
13. (Original post by highestmountain)
= ?

Let
And let

See what happens when you plug them in.
14. (Original post by Dingooose)

Let
And let

See what happens when you plug them in.
I integrated by parts twice over but can only seem to get that far after recognising that the integral appears twice - I rearranged the expression to get a fraction of the integral on its own and then divided both sides by that fraction and that's what I've got?
15. (Original post by highestmountain)
I integrated by parts twice over but can only seem to get that far after recognising that the integral appears twice - I rearranged the expression to get a fraction of the integral on its own and then divided both sides by that fraction and that's what I've got?
Notnek said he's going for a while in a PM, so it looks like we've only got each other. Let's try to solve this by ourselves.
16. (Original post by highestmountain)
I integrated by parts twice over but can only seem to get that far after recognising that the integral appears twice - I rearranged the expression to get a fraction of the integral on its own and then divided both sides by that fraction and that's what I've got?
First integration by parts:

Second integration by parts:

Are we on the same page so far?
17. (Original post by Dingooose)
First integration by parts:

Second integration by parts:

Are we on the same page so far?
Substitute for the integral using your second equation into the first equation.

You should end up with an equation that only contains the integral , which should appear twice.

By the way this integral is beyond A Level Maths i.e. wouldn't be in an exam.
18. (Original post by notnek)
Substitute for the integral using your second equation into the first equation.

You should end up with an equation that only contains the integral , which should appear twice.

By the way this integral is beyond A Level Maths i.e. wouldn't be in an exam.
Do you mean this?

19. Spoiler:
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Then we can factor out

And the final step is division and putting in a constant of integration:

20. (Original post by notnek)
Substitute for the integral using your second equation into the first equation.

You should end up with an equation that only contains the integral , which should appear twice.

By the way this integral is beyond A Level Maths i.e. wouldn't be in an exam.
I THINK I FINALLY DID IT!!! See my previous reply with the spoiler tag.

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