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and things like Jeremy Hunt's recent comments on it, treatment of whistleblowers, etc.?
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Generally not bad, but it needs I stop being a sacred cow when people get irrational when discussing it.

Different financing and operating models work as well.
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far better than people make it out to be
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Generally not bad, but it needs I stop being a sacred cow when people get irrational when discussing it.

Different financing and operating models work as well.
i agree with this, my main issue with it is how it seems to handle whistleblowers/complaints. overall it's good but we need to stop the "sacred cow" thing yep

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i agree with this, my main issue with it is how it seems to handle whistleblowers/complaints. overall it's good but we need to stop the "sacred cow" thing yep

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Whistleblowers is a managerial and cultural issue devoid of whether it's a public or private organisation.

In fact I'd say that publicly run organisations will tend to have more of a problem accepting criticism as they're more tribal, less willing to accept criticism and change.
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Whistleblowers is a managerial and cultural issue devoid of whether it's a public or private organisation.

In fact I'd say that publicly run organisations will tend to have more of a problem accepting criticism as they're more tribal, less willing to accept criticism and change.
Not just whistleblowers but patients who complain too (my aunt had a doctor be really rude and careless when she went to hospital recently and her complaint was messed up). AFAIK the NHS often don't take patient complaints seriously

why would you say they're more tribal?
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Not just whistleblowers but patients who complain too (my aunt had a doctor be really rude and careless when she went to hospital recently and her complaint was messed up). AFAIK the NHS often don't take patient complaints seriously

why would you say they're more tribal?
I say tribal as there tends to be a lower turnover of staff. The same applies to the police, army, navy etc.

I've recently levelled a complaint at then nhs. Have to say that although I was unhappy with the service ( not individuals being in the wrong, there just didn't seem to be any joined up thinking as procedures weren't known) the team who dealt with the issue genuinely came across as wanting to change things. That's why I say it's a cultural and managerial issue.

One doctor coming across as rude doesn't equate to all doctors. One doctor going above and beyond doesn't equate to no problems.

The nhs has become a political football. In order to get political gain, the opposition will often make things out to be worse than they are. The trade union movement in the public sector will manipulate the situation for personal gain.
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It's ludicrous that we've elevated the NHS to semi-mythical status. The principle of free health care is a good one, but it's got nothing to do with the institution administering it and the internal structures of it.

In terms of whistleblowers, it depends on what they're saying really.
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(Original post by MatureStudent36)
Generally not bad, but it needs I stop being a sacred cow when people get irrational when discussing it.

Different financing and operating models work as well.
(Original post by L i b)
It's ludicrous that we've elevated the NHS to semi-mythical status. The principle of free health care is a good one, but it's got nothing to do with the institution administering it and the internal structures of it.

In terms of whistleblowers, it depends on what they're saying really.
I agree with these. The NHS is like a revered state religion - no politician can hope to get elected without pledging to throw more and more money at the NHS ad infinitum. It's laughable how casually people will throw around the word 'privatisation' to describe change of any kind...
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The NHS is a classic example of why the public sector in the absence of a profit (greed) motive can produce far better and more accessible services then private sector counterparts. Rather then worry about making money off people their focus is all on providing a service.

No wonder the Tories are hacking away at it- it goes against everything they stand for and if it wasn't politically unpopular the Tories would do away with it.
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The NHS kills any chance on a real Walter White happening in the UK
Hmm, I see. :beard:
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The NHS is a classic example of why the public sector in the absence of a profit (greed) motive can produce far better and more accessible services then private sector counterparts. Rather then worry about making money off people their focus is all on providing a service.

No wonder the Tories are hacking away at it- it goes against everything they stand for and if it wasn't politically unpopular the Tories would do away with it.
And here in lies the problem. A sweeping generalisation backed up with no supporting evidence.

Do you role up the use of GPs into you're sweeping statement about the nhs?
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The NHS is a classic example of why the public sector in the absence of a profit (greed) motive can produce far better and more accessible services then private sector counterparts. Rather then worry about making money off people their focus is all on providing a service.

No wonder the Tories are hacking away at it- it goes against everything they stand for and if it wasn't politically unpopular the Tories would do away with it.
Rubbish, you are the problem, you will destroy the NHS, you proud of yourself? sensible debate and less politicization of sensible policies is needed, the Tories do want to do away from it, i'm sire a minority do but a minority of muslims would kill all non believers doesn't represent the majority, please shut up if you aren't going to be constructive.
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Rubbish, you are the problem, you will destroy the NHS, you proud of yourself? sensible debate and less politicization of sensible policies is needed, the Tories do want to do away from it, i'm sire a minority do but a minority of muslims would kill all non believers doesn't represent the majority, please shut up if you aren't going to be constructive.
Hahaha.
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i agree with this, my main issue with it is how it seems to handle whistleblowers/complaints. overall it's good but we need to stop the "sacred cow" thing yep

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Of course there are problems with the NHS - it's far from perfect and what you say about patient complaints can be true - but I think having such an advanced system of free heathcare is an amazing thing that many people take completely for granted and are too quick to criticise.
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and things like Jeremy Hunt's recent comments on it, treatment of whistleblowers, etc.?
It's fat, spends money on crap and could work better.

I would do 3 things..

1) From the start i would give it only a 2% rise per year (inflation if the BOE does its job) every year and i would make it clear that they'll be getting no more, no less

2) I would have a complete review of everything the NHS does so that it call cull things like transgender surgery and hymen replacements (things it doesn't need to do). The money saved can be moved to heart disease/cancer ect..

3) All higher rate taxpayers would have to take out mandatory outpatient private medical insurance. This will reduce waiting lists for things like foot specialists while shifting the burden to those who can afford it (outpatient insurance is cheap). It also saves some cash which can be spent again in heart disease/cancer ect...
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2) I would have a complete review of everything the NHS does so that it call cull things like transgender surgery and hymen replacements (things it doesn't need to do). The money saved can be moved to heart disease/cancer ect..
They do that on the NHS? Huh. Must be when people claim their mental health is being affected by cosmetic issues.

3) All higher rate taxpayers would have to take out mandatory outpatient private medical insurance. This will reduce waiting lists for things like foot specialists while shifting the burden to those who can afford it (outpatient insurance is cheap). It also saves some cash which can be spent again in heart disease/cancer ect...
That's somewhat unfair to the higher rate taxpayers. If they're already paying a larger proportion in tax and National Insurance contributions, why should they not be entitled to free treatment on the NHS?
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Better than ObamaCare
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Life-saving and life-changing.
Without the NHS lots of people would probably be dead by now and everyone would be depressed. I know it's blunt but it's the truth, anyone who had serious conditions wouldn't survive for very long if there was no NHS.
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