Would you rather date a feminist or a meninist?

Okay,this is what I had been talking about earlier, those people are, in no way, feminists. They just call themselves one. Also, pay gap does exist, I don't know about places like UK, but in third world countries, it does.

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/economy/report/2014/05/19/90039/explaining-the-gender-wage-gap/

Just to follow up on my previous reply: look here for more details on the reasons for the pay gap.

I didn't say you hate men. I'm saying you're passively supporting people who do by defending them.

I'm sure the women in third-world countries care. It's just a shame that the western feminists, who have no actual problems to be solving and could be using all their institutional sway to help out, don't seem to care at all.

But they are what a feminist actually is, so you ought to call them that. I'm saying that when you've got a perfectly ordinary, generic feminist (think misandrists like Laurie Penny or Bell Hooks) you can't say "they're not true feminists" just because it damages people's perceptions of your ridiculous ideology.

Not questioning your info or anything but that is about the US, I wasn't exactly talking about the western countries, my friend.

Oops. Read your post wrongly. My mistake!

Meninism doesnt exist

In an ideal world, yes we coud call it egalitarianism. However by calling it feminism you're pointing out where one of the problems are and why the world is not egalitarian.

Feminism is actively seeking egalitarianism by elevating the rights of women in society to the equal level of men. There are other issues to address to succeed, but feminism deals with this one.

It's like seeing a cardiologist when you've got heart problems. Saying "egalitarianism" is like saying "no, equal health for the WHOLE BODY" when really, it's the heart that needs help to be as healthy as the rest of you.

I don't mean to go off-topic or anything but I love it when get up on their high horses about being an equalist or an egalitarian or whatever rather a feminist and yet never actually do anything.

I don't mean to go off-topic or anything but I love it when get up on their high horses about being an equalist or an egalitarian or whatever rather a feminist and yet never actually do anything.

Yes, there is a general pay gap, where women on average earn less than men. But this is not down to sexism. At least not in the US where that study that is endlessly parroted for finding that "women earn 77 cents for every man's dollar". That same study that is used by feminists so many times even said that pretty much all of the gap comes from socio-economic factors rather than sexism. These include the fact that men choose to go into higher paying fields like STEM while women do not. Even in medical professions women are more likely to choose lower paying areas such as pediatrics than men, Men are more likely to do more dangerous jobs (that come with higher pay because of the danger). Men work on average 10-20% more overtime (it was somewhere between 10 and 20 per-cent, I don't remember the exact figure). Women choose to stay at home to look after children more often than men and are generally less career-driven than men. There is no evidence that it is down to employers choosing to pay women less due to their gender.

In countries like ours, including the US, it is illegal to pay someone less or more because of their gender. And not only that, think about it in terms of economics. It just doesn't make sense, considering the job market today. If employers paid women less because of their gender to do the same job men would, wouldn't they be in much much higher demand on the job market? Paying your workers less to do the same job would result in more profit, wouldn't it?

I know right? Not like 'real' egalitarians like myself who have their very own Tumblr and reblog loads of important and omg idek AWESOME posts representing (and alienating people from) my cause, ad infinitum.

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Can I just say that why do you think that women are less career driven than men? Why do you think they choose not to enter dangerous careers? Why do you think they often stay home to look after children? Because women from a young age are socialised into believing their place is in the home or that dangerous or academic careers are not for them, because they're women. Yes, this message is not direct in this day and age, in comparison to the 20th Century, but its still prominent. Whereas men are socialised to believe that they can do anything. Many women are increasingly pushing the boundaries and entering these dangerous and academic careers but you notice that its not as common as men, partly because of socialisation. You may think that this is a stupid 'feminist' looking into things too much, but honestly, do your sociological research and you'll see it's true.

I really disagree with this. I think a drawback of the education system and society's general attitude towards nurturing children is that they are all special and they all capable of 'anything if they put their mind to it'. Teachers and parents don't just say that to the boys and exclude the girls from it. In fact, if they did and they were found out, there would be a huge backlash from society (and rightly so).

Most of these dangerous jobs need to involve a strong and physically fit individual (eg. firemen, soldiers, deep sea fishermen etc) and men are simply more physically suited to these jobs. And I am glad that more men do some of these, especially firemen and soldiers. Because if a 50:50 gender quota was imposed on these professions, the professions would suffer. Fire "people" would be less able to save people trapped in buildings. Soldiers would be less able to cross battlefields in required times and be less able to carry heavy equipment. Men are better at some jobs than women. Fact. And the inverse is also true for some other jobs.

These "academic careers" like STEM are practically begging for more women to join. Being an engineering student myself, I have come across so many grad schemes aimed exclusively at women. Entering a STEM profession as a woman is much easier than a man because of gender quotas and employers' general desire to not appear sexist. Yet, the vast majority of female university students choose non-STEM subjects like gender studies, fashion design, arts etc. Even in politics nowadays, women are shown to be no more or less popular in political circles and gender quotas on the houses of parliament have been frequently discussed. Yet still so few women are interested in pursuing politics. I think it is obvious that women and men just prefer different things.

We are a sexually dimorphic species, so true equality in every instance will be impossible achieve without artificially reducing or increasing different genders' standing in certain areas. Women and men are not the same and never will be.

So you may have your so-called "socialogical research," which most likely consists primarily of Buzzfeed and Tumblr blogs by Anita Sarkesian, on your side. But I have cold, hard facts on mine.

Actually, I've studied sociology for 4 years, mainly focusing on inequalities across gender, class and ethnicity and my brother is a Sociology graduate from Durham, so I think I could say I'm a little more informed than what you implied there.

I think this may actually be your biggest problem.

Oh man, look around you, hear what everyone's saying, and then say that one more time. Just do it.