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    Jeremy Corbyn has been heavily criticised for not putting women in the most senior shadow cabinet roles, but I find this strange.

    Surely we want the people most qualified for such positions, irrespective of their sex. Deliberately forcing women into such roles to be PC seems not only inappropriate, but an affront to what many feminists say they want: equality between the sexes. Putting women in senior roles just because they're women is mad. People should get into their positions by merit, and merit only. Sex, race, sexuality etc. should have no influence. If more men or women are in senior roles, so be it. The matter of equality comes from whether men and women are having equal opportunity to enter senior roles - which they are.

    Corbyn isn't the type to be sexist either. He's as left as this country has seen in a long time. I'm not a fan of him either before anyone asks - I just find this smearing tiresome. People are just looking for any reason to label him a sexist or misogynist.

    Just my two cents anyway.
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    He's spoken out about gender equality more than probably any other man in a position such as his in UK politics. But people don't like his leftism, so they will pick at anything they can. Anything he does will be criticised, using both 'look how socialist he is' or 'he's not even that socialist!' depending on the situation. And in this way he will be chipped down until he is unelectable in 2020 - it's a self fulfilling prophecy.

    BTW - I didn't want Jeremy Corbyn to win, but I am disappointed with the intense scrutiny and criticism he is already facing for anything he does
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    It doesn't. It's just another shameless smear aimed at Corbin. Since when have the Tories cared about gender equality?
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    Because people need a reason to be offended by the actions of their ideological opponents. 'Tis the way of the world.
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    the reason this is being picked up on is because labour have constantly smeared the tories about women
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    As I said in another thread:

    "waaaaa it's sexist to hire based on sex waaaaaaa unless it benefits women then it's fine waaa"
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    because he said he would appoint more women. Fair enough to point out saying one thing and doing another.
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    It would be interesting to see how many of those who are criticising Jeremy Corbyn for not appointing women are really concerned about the lack of women in top jobs, or do they usually think that feminism has gone too far, positive discrimination is barmy and are just saying this because it's Corbyn?

    It's a bit like those that want to throw the "Corbyn is an anti-Semite" card. Are they really people that are concerned about racism and anti-Semitism in society, or are they usually people that complain that today the world is too politically correct and you can't say anything without being accused of being racist, but as this is Corbyn they are going to claim that because he once stood on a stage with a guy that's anti-Semitic, that he's an anti-Semite...

    There's a lot of hypocrisy going on about Corbyn at the moment.

    A notable example is the government who has made major cuts to the armed forces, who are now going on the attack that Corbyn is a danger to national security. Plenty of leading figures in the military have come out and warned that the cuts that have taken place to the military under this government have seriously weakened our defence capacity, but the government generally ignores these, however we are supposed to all jump up in fear now Fallon is throwing accusations out against Corbyn...
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    Could be that he ran his campaign on that crap. So he gets elected, does something else and all his supporters forget about it and carry on blithering on about how it's so delightful we finally have something "different".

    There's also the fact that so many of his supporters are the type of insufferable social justice warriors who spent years banging on about how "progressive" they are and how they're feminist and that there needs to be more women in top positions etc.

    Then when their boy gets in they're talking about positions on merit and "feminazis" etc etc. you think I'm joking or exaggerating? You don't even have to leave TSR to find these creatures. The whole debacle just exposes these idiots for who they really are. Bandwagon mongs who just follow the latest fashion and the latest vehicle for them to display to everyone else how enlightened they are.

    Meanwhile the real feminists are fuming with Angela Eagle.
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    I found that bizarre, too. I don't know where they find these people - the vast majority of us couldn't care less if the cabinet consisted of baby seals, as long as they were competent.

    But obviously it's not actually about women, it's about Corbyn.
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    ye what a dum 'problem' the best people for the job, man or woman and what about the fact that labours 'best' women refuse to serve. how dum people are
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    (Original post by abc:))
    He's spoken out about gender equality more than probably any other man in a position such as his in UK politics. But people don't like his leftism, so they will pick at anything they can. Anything he does will be criticised, using both 'look how socialist he is' or 'he's not even that socialist!' depending on the situation. And in this way he will be chipped down until he is unelectable in 2020 - it's a self fulfilling prophecy.

    BTW - I didn't want Jeremy Corbyn to win, but I am disappointed with the intense scrutiny and criticism he is already facing for anything he does
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    (Original post by Reluire)

    Surely we want the people most qualified for such positions, irrespective of their sex.
    Given the constituency, Labour MPs, and given that suitability for senior cabinet positions is not like best A level grades, it is improbable that all of the best candidates are men.

    The hard left has generally been patronising to women, wanting to treat them as an oppressed group whose interests men will fight for rather than a group who campaign for their own interests.The railway carriages thing was a symptom of this.

    Go back a generation and the paucity of women about the Cabinet table was less criticised because it was, rightly, perceived that problems with women's participation in politics was around selection as candidates.
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    I totally agree. We want a cabinet with the best, most qualified people in it, irrespective of gender, ethnicity, social class, etc.
    It is actually more demeaning to a woman to be told "you got this job because you're a woman" rather than "you are the best qualified person for this position".
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    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)
    It would be interesting to see how many of those who are criticising Jeremy Corbyn for not appointing women are really concerned about the lack of women in top jobs, or do they usually think that feminism has gone too far, positive discrimination is barmy and are just saying this because it's Corbyn?

    It's a bit like those that want to throw the "Corbyn is an anti-Semite" card. Are they really people that are concerned about racism and anti-Semitism in society, or are they usually people that complain that today the world is too politically correct and you can't say anything without being accused of being racist, but as this is Corbyn they are going to claim that because he once stood on a stage with a guy that's anti-Semitic, that he's an anti-Semite...

    There's a lot of hypocrisy going on about Corbyn at the moment.

    A notable example is the government who has made major cuts to the armed forces, who are now going on the attack that Corbyn is a danger to national security. Plenty of leading figures in the military have come out and warned that the cuts that have taken place to the military under this government have seriously weakened our defence capacity, but the government generally ignores these, however we are supposed to all jump up in fear now Fallon is throwing accusations out against Corbyn...
    There's a big big big big big big big big big big difference between budget cuts to the Armed Forces as part of a wider austerity initiative and what Corbyn has in the past said he wants, which is essentially having no armed forces to speak of for the sake of a pacifist ideology.
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    Because most of the other blair-labour sort of candidates are all misandrists anyway... God I can't stand female labour politicians... Never known people to talk as much crap as they do. I must say good riddance to them all. I shan't be missing them.
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    Because the right wing media are running out of reasons to hate him.
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    (Original post by BefuddledPenguin)
    Because the right wing media are running out of reasons to hate him.
    I don't think that is right. He seems to be the gift that keeps on giving.
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    (Original post by parentlurker)
    because he said he would appoint more women. Fair enough to point out saying one thing and doing another.
    As far as I can see Corbyn has appointed twice as many women to his cabinet as Cameron has, with a total of 15 men and 16 women in his cabinet...

    What more do they want from him (other than to just be a Tory in disguise like so much of the rest of the Labour party)?
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    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)
    It would be interesting to see how many of those who are criticising Jeremy Corbyn for not appointing women are really concerned about the lack of women in top jobs, or do they usually think that feminism has gone too far, positive discrimination is barmy and are just saying this because it's Corbyn?

    It's a bit like those that want to throw the "Corbyn is an anti-Semite" card. Are they really people that are concerned about racism and anti-Semitism in society, or are they usually people that complain that today the world is too politically correct and you can't say anything without being accused of being racist, but as this is Corbyn they are going to claim that because he once stood on a stage with a guy that's anti-Semitic, that he's an anti-Semite...

    There's a lot of hypocrisy going on about Corbyn at the moment.

    A notable example is the government who has made major cuts to the armed forces, who are now going on the attack that Corbyn is a danger to national security. Plenty of leading figures in the military have come out and warned that the cuts that have taken place to the military under this government have seriously weakened our defence capacity, but the government generally ignores these, however we are supposed to all jump up in fear now Fallon is throwing accusations out against Corbyn...
    Yes, exactly. I was thinking exactly this. The "sexism" crowd includes the Conservative opponents of Corbyn who normally tend to be critical of feminism and quotas. And the national security claims from a party and leader that's cut the military and left us without our own aircraft carrier.

    Corbyn could really attack the Conservatives on the "national security" thing.
 
 
 
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