Londoners - how has diversity enriched your life?

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As a Londoner, I'm aware that phrases such as "cultural melting pot", "multicultural","cosmopolitan" and "diversity" are often associated with the capital.

People I've come across tend speak of London's diverse population in a postive manner and are quick to highlight it as one of the capital's strengths. But they rarely say how specifically living in such a diverse environment has enriched their lives.

I don't really see the cultural and social advantages of living in such an environment anymore.I feel that London's increased diversity has lead to society becoming fragmented and less trustworthy. Yes, I am surrounded by many different types of people, but I've also noticed that ethnic groups (this includes white groups) tend to congregrate in insular communities which nullifies the supposed benefits of living among different people.

I also feel the varying degrees of difference leads to a level of friction among people that you simply wouldn't see in a less diverse environment. This usually results in flashpoints of violence and confrontation - fuelled by the vast cultural differences that emerge from London's high levels of diversity.

When you have such a broad gamut of cultural difference, there's less social cohesion. There's less respect for your fellow man or woman. And I see the effects of that frequently in London.

I believe the actual cultural benefits of living in London's multicultural society are an illusion. I live in a borough where they is a high population of black (west African and Carribbean) people and oriental (Chinese and Vietnamese) people and yet I feel like I have gained very little (culturally) from living among them.

Now, I'm not saying that I'd rather live in a a small rural village where everyone sports an English pudding face - I think diversity is good to a point, but I feel the high level of diversity that exists within London has lead to a society that feels incredibly culturally segregated and untrustworthy.

How has London's diversity enriched your life?

Maybe it hasn't and you can identify with the thoughts above.

Share your opinions.
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Hasn't brought much to my life.

I'm glad where it's only London that I am often the only white person on the bus. I am not to comfortable with it too be honest.
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(Original post by Swindle)

How has London's diversity enriched your life?

Maybe it hasn't and you can identify with the thoughts above.

Share your opinions.
Lets just say, if I went on holiday to Poland I'd be able to cope
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I'm not from London, so this thread doesn't apply to me, but thought I'd make a post anyway.
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Having lived both in London (diverse), a relatively diverse but highly segregated town and also in probably one of the most exclusively white (and relatively poor) areas of the country - I would say that it does make a massive difference. You say people are segregated in London, but in the town I grew up I could probably draw cultural/ethnic lines for you on a map. People lived only within their own communities. There are some trends and the odd exception, but London is actually REALLY mixed and non-segregated in comparison. And compared to the rural area I lived in where everybody was white - well, you can't really be any more suspicious of 'different' looking people being untrustworthy than if you've literally barely ever seen them in real life before. I moved there having lived in aforementioned segregated town and was shocked at the difference. Some of my friends who weren't white came to visit and literally got stared at like zoo animals, people could not contain their curiosity in the street!

Basically I think you don't realise how any sense of segregation and so on that you may be feeling is actually really minor in London. It is very much more unified than anywhere else I've lived, people live so close together that you get people of all sorts around you all of the time. And whilst you may not all join together in a happy cultural sharing scheme, you end up with a far better idea of each other's cultures and are far more likely to get to know a diverse group of people which in turn colours the open-ness of your own world view. The main obstacle, in my opinion, isn't the geographical segregation which coloured the town I used to live in, but just the fact in London nobody is friendly with each other regardless x__X
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(Original post by x-pixie-x)
Hasn't brought much to my life.

I'm glad where it's only London that I am often the only white person on the bus. I am not to comfortable with it too be honest.
Why aren't you comfortable with it? Do you view non-whites as a threat? (You clearly are inferring that)
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(Original post by x-pixie-x)
I'm glad where it's only London that I am often the only white person on the bus. I am not to comfortable with it too be honest.
Why is that, might I ask?

EDIT: TTT got in before me
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You can get any type of food you like. It is one of the few places I can get hold of decent biltong.
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Why is that, might I ask?

EDIT: TTT got in before me
Sometimes if I am in a non white area it is like being abroad, I get stared at and so what if i am not comfortable with it?
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How has London's diversity enriched your life?
Higher property prices
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I think we are missing the most important plus-side, which is that we can get almost ANY kind of cuisine, authentically made at any time of day now.
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It has made it one of the greatest cities in the world. Take away the diversity and it will drop FAR down the list. See for yourself the greatest cities have the greatest diversity.

If we fail to attract the best talent we fall behind. Basic economics 101.
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I think we are missing the most important plus-side, which is that we can get almost ANY kind of cuisine, authentically made at any time of day now.
Yeah, people always talk about the global cuisine when asked about the advantages of diversity. In fact, in the cases I've encountered, the variety of food is only thing they can think of.
The thing is, I don't think you need a highly diverse population in order to taste food from around the world.

(Original post by Bill_Gates)
It has made it one of the greatest cities in the world. Take away the diversity and it will drop FAR down the list. See for yourself the greatest cities have the greatest diversity.

If we fail to attract the best talent we fall behind. Basic economics 101.
I disagree. Look at Tokyo, 98% of its population are Japanese and it's one of the best cities in the world despite not being the most diverse.
It's also a lot cleaner and safer than London. People are lot more respectful and you're less likely to get jumped on walking around at night. A big part of the reason these positive attributes exist is because there's less diversity among Tokyo's population. Since they're culturally similar, most people tend to obey unwritten shared cultural rules resulting in society which functions with fewer problems.

And your opinion assumes that the majority of London's diverse population are highly educated, specialists when that isn't the case. You blindly assume that endless diversity can only be good thing whilst ignoring the problems it introduces.

Gun and knife crime, the rise of FGM, the resurgence of particular diseases,human trafficking, higher birth rates,an increased strain on infrastructure/housing and are some of the problems that have either been introduced or exacerbated by London's increased diversity.
People that champion diversity usually like to conveniently gloss over the bad bits.

Society feels less cohesive today because it's hard to gain cohesion in such a diverse environment. We might live and work among each other, but London is incredibly culturally segregated.
Like I said, I think diversity is good to a point. But after a certain point the negatives start outweighing the positives.
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It has enriched my life by bringing me to another country to get the fuсk away from it.
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Yeah, people always talk about the global cuisine when asked about the advantages of diversity. In fact, in the cases I've encountered, the variety of food is only thing they can think of.
The thing is, I don't think you need a highly diverse population in order to taste food from around the world.



I disagree. Look at Tokyo, 98% of its population are Japanese and it's one of the best cities in the world despite not being the most diverse.
It's also a lot cleaner and safer than London. People are lot more respectful and you're less likely to get jumped on walking around at night. A big part of the reason these positive attributes exist is because there's less diversity among Tokyo's population. Since they're culturally similar, most people tend to obey unwritten shared cultural rules resulting in society which functions with fewer problems.

And your opinion assumes that the majority of London's diverse population are highly educated, specialists when that isn't the case. You blindly assume that endless diversity can only be good thing whilst ignoring the problems it introduces.

Gun and knife crime, the rise of FGM, the resurgence of particular diseases,human trafficking, higher birth rates,an increased strain on infrastructure/housing and are some of the problems that have either been introduced or exacerbated by London's increased diversity.
People that champion diversity usually like to conveniently gloss over the bad bits.

Society feels less cohesive today because it's hard to gain cohesion in such a diverse environment. We might live and work among each other, but London is incredibly culturally segregated.
Like I said, I think diversity is good to a point. But after a certain point the negatives start outweighing the positives.

Please. Immigration was the downfall of Japan (Tokyo) anyone knows that. Had a rising elderly demographic with falling birth rates which could of been replaced with immigration.
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I really can't understand how people can be this fuсking dumb. A triangular population pyramid (large amount of young paying for a smaller proportion of the old) is unsustainable in the long term due to simple maths. Eventually a country has to go 'fuсk it' and suffer for the greater good. Japan is only slightly bigger than NZ but has 120m more people; it is insanely overcrowded. They are doing the right thing; even if you exclude cultural reasons.
that made no sense whatsoever
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Kebab + Chicken and Chips
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that made no sense whatsoever
I can't put it in simpler terms, sorry
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Whitechapel/Brick Lane is ace. Very exotic, trendy and pure cos of the muslim population.
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Why aren't you comfortable with it? Do you view non-whites as a threat? (You clearly are inferring that)
OP's post history will answer that one, just :lolwut:
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