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interesting 'long read' on Nazism. Especially considering what is happening in Europe now with migrants. What happens if that started happening but on a much larger mass migration type scale? Then look at Greece where the Neo-Fascist party Golden Dawn are well within reach of being part of a goverment after Syriza failed to alleviate the economic problems being inflicted on that country.

"Misunderstanding the Holocaust has made us too certain we are ethically superior to the Europeans of the 1940s. Faced with a new catastrophe – such as devastating climate change – could we become mass killers again?"

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...be-so-far-away
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These predictions pop up from time to time like the predictions of World War Three imminent, the reality is in the UK there just isn't the support base for Nazism. In some European countries there is more of a latent support for a far right but there are also far more people that detest Nazism. What you might get in some European countries is parties like Front Nationale which are quite far right and pushing an anti-immigrant agenda but also doing the "we are not racist" line. These kind of parties have never really provided much in the way of successful government though so it's difficult for them to keep hold of power for long in a democracy.
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Not a chance. The liberal brigade in Western Europe will allow a fifth column to develop in their countries and there will be an Islamic Empire in Western Europe. This won't happen in Eastern Europe and some parts of Central Europe because they have already experienced Islamic oppression during the days of the Ottoman Empire so they know better than to let it happen from experience. The Balkan and Baltic states will then realign with Russia as it'll be in their interests to do so. Western Europeans won't learn until its too late and its already happening, and at that point there will already be civil unrest and pretty much civil war between the native population and Muslims who want an Islamic way of life to be the norm in these countries. Western Europe will, through its own idiocy, fall to radical Islam. 60-100 years ago Western Europeans had a lot of fight and would have not let this happen but today, the general public in these nations are too appeasing and very apathetic to what is actually going on. They are far too interested in nonsense like Big Brother and X Factor to give any of this a serious thought or educate themselves on the matter.
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Experience from the continent does suggest that unemployment of 10%+ is sufficient to cause a degree of political collapse and replacement by other parties. There's no real telling whether that's to socialists or nationalists though.

I doubt we'd go as far as genocide however I don't see the current tensions with Islam ending well.
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I don't see how there can not be a civil war with the way extremist Islam is impacting nations.
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(Original post by MagicNMedicine)
These predictions pop up from time to time like the predictions of World War Three imminent, the reality is in the UK there just isn't the support base for Nazism. In some European countries there is more of a latent support for a far right but there are also far more people that detest Nazism. What you might get in some European countries is parties like Front Nationale which are quite far right and pushing an anti-immigrant agenda but also doing the "we are not racist" line. These kind of parties have never really provided much in the way of successful government though so it's difficult for them to keep hold of power for long in a democracy.
I think we're already in world war 3. Theres war all over the world.
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(Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
interesting 'long read' on Nazism. Especially considering what is happening in Europe now with migrants. What happens if that started happening but on a much larger mass migration type scale? Then look at Greece where the Neo-Fascist party Golden Dawn are well within reach of being part of a goverment after Syriza failed to alleviate the economic problems being inflicted on that country.

"Misunderstanding the Holocaust has made us too certain we are ethically superior to the Europeans of the 1940s. Faced with a new catastrophe – such as devastating climate change – could we become mass killers again?"

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...be-so-far-away
In 1903-1906 and after 1917 the Jewish population of the Russian Empire, principally in what is now Poland, came under pressure from pogroms and economic factors. This led to a mixed exodus of asylum seekers and economic migrants. (See Spitzer: POGROMS, NETWORKS,AND MIGRATION The Jewish Migration from the Russian Empire to the United States 1881–1914 )

The media of the time were greatly incensed by this persecution. Eventually the Jewish migrants were offered sanctuary in the USA and also Germany. During WWI the Russians expelled both Protestant Germans and Jews westwards. After the First World War the German Weimar Republic had lax border controls and allowed a fairly large scale migration into and through its territory. (See Brinkmann: Jewish Migration, which contains the understatement: "Quite a few of these people came into the clutches of the Nazi machinery of persecution after 1939 for lack of valid papers." ).

The pressure to treat the migrants fairly and with openness was intense. Organisations such as the Paris based Alliance Israelite Universelle, the New York HIAS (Hebrew Sheltering and Immigrant Aid Society) or the Berlin Hilfsverein der Deutschen Juden all helped to expedite the flow of migrants out of Russia. Sadly the racists got in on the act. Those who feared any diversity founded the Pan-Europa movement which agitated for a strange sort of eugenics in which it was held that peace could only be obtained by breeding out the diversity of racial differences in Europe and this was opposed by the National Socialists. The Pan Europeans built the fire and the Nazis lit it.

BTW, the Paneuropa movement was instrumental in the birth of the EU.

Also, they didn't teach you this in school history - why not?

Furthermore, why didn't the author of the Guardian article seem to know about 1920s German politics and the mass migration of Jews? There were tent cities of Jewish refugees outside Berlin in the 1920s.
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The emergence of nationalism. End of the EU. Jolly good.
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