Which is a more prestigious university- Exeter or Sheffield ?

Your logic here is that because it doesn't have the most name recognition, it doesn't have any meaningful name recognition at all.

All I've said is that Exeter doesn't have the same name recognition that Oxbridge and some of the London universities have

This is equivalent to saying 7ft in height could not be considered "tall", because that person isn't Robert Wadlow the tallest person to have lived. There exists things in between the tallest and the average, and the most prestigious and the average.

I agree but I wouldnt call Exeter 'middle'. DMU is middle. And also does it not depend what profession you want to go in? If I wanted to study law, Nottingham and Bristol are considered one of the best and more prestigious than Sheffield. Like there are more people employed from magic circle firms from there than Sheffield and Leeds.

You clearly did not do your research too well. Firstly, you linked last year's rankings and it's education courses only. Secondly, Sheffield is 80th in the most recent overall rankings.

You don't know what you're doing.

In the UK, Exeter is generally seen as better than Sheffield by most people.

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No, actually. That's what you seem to have decided my logic is; I'm not going to defend a position that you randomly ascribed to me. This is what I actually said, with the key bits underlined for your benefit:

I haven't said anything about it not having any meaningful name recognition, as you can see. Well done on the straw man though

Yes but the fact is that nobody really keeps track of the league tables these days except prestige-obsessed undergraduates/prospective undergraduates. Exeter may be 7th nationally but it doesn't have the name recognition that Oxford, Cambridge or some of the London universities may have so, as far as an employer is concerned, it might as well be a mid-ranked university.

Oh FFS. 80th or 150th who cares? It isn't top 10 and it isn't bottom 10. It's middling.

By most people? Who are these people. No one I work with would know the difference, nor any of my friends.

I am sure that students have an interest in university rankings but they are about it. Employers tend not care less.

It's middling? There are approximately 16,000 universities in the world and Exeter and Sheffield are in the top 160 in the world, which makes universities in that in the top 1% worldwide. You are absolutely clueless if you think that 150th, never mind 80th, is an average position. You really.

Aston is 346th in the world, just to put it in a bit of perspective.

By students, academics, UK league tables and high end employers. Mediocre employers aren't the only individuals with opinions, you realise.

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Crumbs. You will be saying the best employers look at what your parents do for a living and which school you went to before offering you an interview next.

Yet another Internet intellectual whipping out terms like straw man because he thinks it's impressive.

A straw man you say?

Seems to fit quite nicely with no meaningful name recognition, which I staw manned you with, doesn't it?

Alas I don't wear the place I studied as a penis extension so I am not sure what point you are trying to make.

You continue to miss my point, it being - that in the "real" world, you have Oxbridge and everywhere else. It matters not a jot whether you studied at the top, middle or bottom of everywhere else.

I am sorry if you feel somehow insulted by my calling your establishment middling although I am not quite sure what that says about you.

Just wondering

I think if you are going for prestigiousness as a way of differentiating between universities like Exeter and Sheffield you are on to a losing streak. As an employer I couldn't give a flying monkey as to whether someone studied at either. I would be much more interested in whether I liked the person or if they had relevant experience.

I think as a country we get rather hung up on this idea of a social order. The reality is that if you don't know an earl or a lord, you are probably going to be judged on merit and long live that reality.

So the university one attends does not imply merit or lack thereof?

It can play a small role, but there's more to a person than the uni they went to.

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exeter

Middle ranking is a bit harsh? Exeter is 7th in the country. But I get your overall point.

Yes but the fact is that nobody really keeps track of the league tables these days except prestige-obsessed undergraduates/prospective undergraduates. Exeter may be 7th nationally but it doesn't have the name recognition that Oxford, Cambridge or some of the London universities may have so, as far as an employer is concerned, it might as well be a mid-ranked university.

Exeter - and it's a much nicer place to live

Depends what course you plan on studying.

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The absolute irony of your post is that you mock me for pointing out a straw man - and then use it yourself by making a presumptuous claim like 'because he thinks it's impressive.'

I'll be quite honest: you're a condescending little tart. I didn't call you out on the straw man because I think it sounds impressive, I called you out on it because that is what it was. As for 'Internet intellectual', what kind of intellectual are you, then, arguing with me on the Internet? Prick.



Yes, you did. I didn't say 'no meaningful recognition.' You made that up on your incorrect interpretation of what I said and then attacked me for it. Keep challenging that all you like but the fact remains that you made up some bull****, put my name on it, and then attacked me for it. And now you're trying to talk down to me to get past having to admit your mistake.

Honestly, I'm done talking to you. It's very difficult to communicate with somebody with such a large stick up his ass that it's become lodged in his throat.

I rather look at the latest rankings!

http://www.theguardian.com/higher-education-network/ng-interactive/2015/sep/15/top-200-universities-in-the-world-the-table?CMP=share_btn_tw

I am annoyed because people like you bull**** and students on this website actually fall for it, which affects which university they finally decide to select to attend. You might want to tell yourself that you are as appealing as any other non-Oxbridge grad, but that's not necessarily true and you should accept that.

So you state twice that what I said was an incorrect interpretation (and by extension a straw man), but you don't explain why it's a straw man. Again, an Internet intellectual. It feels nice to put down these terms you've learn off Wikipedia, but when it comes to actually forming an argument, you scatter away.

I most assuredly did not produce a straw man to dismiss your argument about straw man. I said you are an Internet intellectual, but I did not dismiss the quality of your argument with that; I dismissed the quality of it by citing your own words which proved my point. You might want to try rereading the Wikipedia article on straw man arguments.

Thanks.

This is hilarious.

So which rankings am I supposed to go by?

This is hilarious.

So which rankings am I supposed to go by?