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Poll: Has Corbyn weakened the Labour Party?
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Two recent polls conducted in the wake of JC's appointment as Labour leader indicate that faith in him within the British electorate is low.

1 in 5 former Labour voters are more likely to vote Conservative after his appointment and nearly 75% of those polled don't feel he is Prime Minister material

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10508584.html

http://home.bt.com/news/uk-news/jere...11364005346499

Personally, as a former Labour voter I feel he has turned a once legitimate party for real change into a childish party of protest similar to the socialist worker's party or UKIP. I for one, liked Ed Miliband, but Corbyn seems to have the exact same problems as Ed but even more so, people simply don't trust him on the economy and you just don't feel he is a man who could actually lead a nation.
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The only people I've seen who like Corbyn so far are 15-24 year olds, that's my observation.
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The only people I've seen who like Corbyn so far are 15-24 year olds, that's my observation.
The age group who are ideologically driven with little to no experience of the real world?

Starting a job and paying the bills gives you a completely different outlook on life.

How does the saying go? If you're young and not a socialist you have no heart. If you get older and are still a socialist you have no brain.
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The only people I've seen who like Corbyn so far are 15-24 year olds, that's my observation.
Roughly 20-29 year olds by the time of the next election. A lot of those will be Liberal Democrats or Tories by then, mark my words. The best chance Labour has of getting in is giving 16 year olds the vote.
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It always annoys me when people say the media is wrong to focus on his image and instead we should focus on his substance, if he rolled into a meeting with other world leaders dressed in trackies and trainers, I'm sure Obama and Merkel would ask if he got lost on the way to the job centre. I really do have no clue how he expects anyone to take him seriously, guy's a massive jackass.
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It always annoys me when people say the media is wrong to focus on his image and instead we should focus on his substance, if he rolled into a meeting with other world leaders dressed in trackies and trainers, I'm sure Obama and Merkel would ask if he got lost on the way to the job centre. I really do have no clue how he expects anyone to take him seriously, guy's a massive jackass.
Image is important of course but the substance is far more important. I mean Adolf Hitler was one of the (in a technical sense) greatest public speakers ever- look how that turned out.
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Roughly 20-29 year olds by the time of the next election. A lot of those will be Liberal Democrats or Tories by then, mark my words. The best chance Labour has of getting in is giving 16 year olds the vote.
Well yeah. But they're not in power so it's not like the tories are gonna let that happen. Same reason why FPTP won't be changed despite being ridiculously undemocratic.
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If we put the 1 in 5 former labour voters and add those onto the current poll where the 20% ex-Labour are all going over to the conservatives...

Con - 386 (+55)
Lab - 177 (-55)
Lib Dems - 8 (-1)
UKIP - 1 (NC)
Greens - 1 (NC)
SNP - 56 (NC)
PC - 4 (+1)

Even though it's all theoretical, it does show the potential advantage the Conservatives have in 2020.
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Roughly 20-29 year olds by the time of the next election. A lot of those will be Liberal Democrats or Tories by then, mark my words. The best chance Labour has of getting in is giving 16 year olds the vote.
Hence why they are supporting it.
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Image is important of course but the substance is far more important. I mean Adolf Hitler was one of the (in a technical sense) greatest public speakers ever- look how that turned out.
His substance is even worse, he thinks there should be a legal cap on how much people can earn, an upper limit on earnings

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It always annoys me when people say the media is wrong to focus on his image and instead we should focus on his substance, if he rolled into a meeting with other world leaders dressed in trackies and trainers, I'm sure Obama and Merkel would ask if he got lost on the way to the job centre. I really do have no clue how he expects anyone to take him seriously, guy's a massive jackass.

He has never wore Trackies and trainers???
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The age group who are ideologically driven with little to no experience of the real world?

Starting a job and paying the bills gives you a completely different outlook on life.

How does the saying go? If you're young and not a socialist you have no heart. If you get older and are still a socialist you have no brain.
Why?
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Why?
The saying implies that as you get older you realise that socialism doesn't work.

Do some research on it. It's failed wherever it's been tried.

Thatcher often used a phrase of 'socialism works as long as you're spending somebody else's money.'

Did you see the headline? 20% reduction in support for labour
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If we put the 1 in 5 former labour voters and add those onto the current poll where the 20% ex-Labour are all going over to the conservatives...

Con - 386 (+55)
Lab - 177 (-55)
Lib Dems - 8 (-1)
UKIP - 1 (NC)
Greens - 1 (NC)
SNP - 56 (NC)
PC - 4 (+1)

Even though it's all theoretical, it does show the potential advantage the Conservatives have in 2020.

I highly highly highly doubt the gap will be that wide
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I highly highly highly doubt the gap will be that wide
I did say "potential".

And the figures came from the electoral calculus website - simply put in the percentage of votes against the most recent election result and it'll calculate the number of seats.

Honestly, it could be that. No one will know until the day after the election...
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I did say "potential".

And the figures came from the electoral calculus website - simply put in the percentage of votes against the most recent election result and it'll calculate the number of seats.

Honestly, it could be that. No one will know until the day after the election...
To be honest I would honestly doubt Corbyn has even lost 1 in 5 labour voters, could just be the right wing newspapers doing there best to demonize and try and dismantle the labour party. The way Corbyn has been treated by the media and press is nothing less than disgusting.
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The saying implies that as you get older you realise that socialism doesn't work.

Do some research on it. It's failed wherever it's been tried.

Thatcher often used a phrase of 'socialism works as long as you're spending somebody else's money.'

Did you see the headline? 20% reduction in support for labour
Unless it kicks starts the golden age of capitalism.

Socialism as a world doesn't mean anything any more. Building more houses is socialist now. You appose political and economical stances that are not even socialist. Yet refer to them as socialist.

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The age group who are ideologically driven with little to no experience of the real world?

Starting a job and paying the bills gives you a completely different outlook on life.

How does the saying go? If you're young and not a socialist you have no heart. If you get older and are still a socialist you have no brain.
Or young people are have not internalized orthodoxies as much as adults have. Plus learning how the word really works has had the opposite effect on me. It isn't making me more right wing at all. Having a job and paying a mortgage/rent does not make one an expert on philosophy, politics and economics as well as the grand meaning of life.
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The title is a misrepresentation.
The poll actually stated 1 in 5 Labour voters were less likely to vote Labour with Corbyn as leader. That's still a fair way off not voting for Labour.

In the same way, under Tim Farron I'm more likely to vote Lib Dems then under Clegg but that absolutely does not mean I will vote him or even likely to.
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(Original post by SCIENCE :D)
To be honest I would honestly doubt Corbyn has even lost 1 in 5 labour voters, could just be the right wing newspapers doing there best to demonize and try and dismantle the labour party. The way Corbyn has been treated by the media and press is nothing less than disgusting.
Look, the right wing newspapers aren't going to go away, the backlash will only get worse closer to the election.

Taking that I to aaccou t, barring a major economic crash, if Corbyn is still in by next election (which is highly unlikely especially given these polling figures) losing 1 in 5 labour voters is probably a decent estimate.

Corbyn supporters are blaming the press, blaming the right of the party, blaming the conservatives, even blaming the electorate. Anything but the man himself. This was always going to happen when he was elected.
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The age group who are ideologically driven with little to no experience of the real world?

Starting a job and paying the bills gives you a completely different outlook on life.

How does the saying go? If you're young and not a socialist you have no heart. If you get older and are still a socialist you have no brain.
Not really. If they stay poor all their lives their political orientation is unlikely to ever change.
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