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    (Original post by vienna95)
    lets hear the centre-left point of view.

    New Statesman, 9th June - Respect, the alliance between the Muslim Association of Britain and the Socialist Workers Party, shows how ugly the far left in Britain has become, writes Nick Cohen

    At first glance, Respect - the Unity Coalition (the name under which the Muslim Association of Britain and the SWP have united) offers the best chance the far left has ever had of winning a European seat. One million people demonstrated in London against the war last year - two, if you believe the march organisers.

    The anti-war movement wasn't a simple repetition of the old story of the politically naive being led by the nose by sly operators. The far left was becoming the far right. It had gone as close to supporting Ba'athist fascism as it dared and had formed a working alliance with the Muslim Association of Britain, which, along with the usual misogyny and homophobia of such organisations, also believed that Muslims who decided that there was no God deserved to die for the crime of free thought. In a few weeks hundreds of thousands of people, maybe millions, would allow themselves to be organised by the opponents of democracy and modernity and would march through the streets of London without a flicker of self-doubt
    Thats nice. Now show me where the MAB have stated: a)they believe that all those who don't believe in God deserve to die; b)That they oppose democracy (conservative factions within the MAB probably do oppose modernity in the social/moral sphere); c)the strangest of all the claims, that they support Ba'athist fascism! I can say that the numerous MAB members I have either spoken too, or have listened to speeches from, have not shown evidence of such beliefs.

    I admit, I am uneasy with the alliance of the SWP with the MAB, as I disagree with the ultra-conservative beliefs of some factions within the group. This is why the SWP was close to splitting on the issue of whether to support Respect. However, as an organisation, I see no evidence of entrenched, open homophobia within the MAB - just a dedication to defend the practice of Islam in the UK and the world. Whether defending Islam is in effect defending ultra-conservative ideals depends on your personal interepretation of the religion, but I know for sure I have met some very liberal/leftist members of the MAB.

    Furthermore, the writer seems to speak of the far-left as some monolithic unity - which anyone with an ounce of common sense knows it is not. Firstly, it doenst include the many on the far-left who will not support respect for the same reason as I have stated above. And secondly, it seems to assume a coalition between the SWP and MAB turns anyone who supports the SWP into a radical muslim! The idea of a coalition is that it is the unifying of different groups or parties who may disagree over some things, or even a lot of things, but are willing to overcome those differences, or put them aside to reach a common goal. The function of Respect is not to say that the left is adopting the same principles as all muslims, it is more to say that we believe the war was wrong, privatisation is wrong, trade-unions should be respected and strengthened, the envirvonment should be protected, and that people who practice the islamic (or any other) religion should have the right to do so (in its right form) and should not be persecuted for doing so, either here or in Palestine.
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    (Original post by randdom)
    I consider myself liberal but I don't support respect. I think it is just george galloway trying to get his own back on tony Blair I mean their hand out that I got said vote for them to punish Labour. Their policys seem rushed and like they haven't been thought out. They say they are for world peace. Isn't everyone it just isn't yet a viable option and Respect don't say how they will acheive this miracle. They say that no major party opposed the war, I am sure the lib dems did. I think they are just trying to play on peoples anti war feelings and this isn't what the election is about.
    LibDems were spineless and hypocritical in their opposition to the war. In no way can one be against war, until war starts! In which case you were never really against the war in the first place!

    And yes, the 1000s of people who have worked for Respect, and are on the street drumming up support, are doing so just to help George Galloway get his own back on Blair! Even those like myself who dislike Galloway :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Mittow)
    i cant vote because i am only 15 but if i was able to i would vote Respect
    Respect = SWP with cardigans and woolly hats.
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    i voted for conservatives and green (but thats coz i had two votes).

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    (Original post by ickle_katy)
    i voted for conservatives and green (but thats coz i had two votes).

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    Hmmm plenty of scope for discord there! I take it your views are conservative (lets keep everything pretty much the way its always been) rather than Conservative ( lets support rampant free marketism) in that case?
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    and you vote Lib Dem in Europe based on your local councillor?
    No, I voted Lib Dem in the council elections based on my local councillor! For ****s sake. I also voted Lib Dem in Europe, but for party political reasons.
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    i forgot to vote whaoops! o well, I knew bugger all about anyone standing and with A levels and all have no time to investigate so I guess no vote is better than a vote for someones policies who I may not aggree with. Would hvae just voted conservative though, I hate labour and the lib dems
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    (Original post by kimoni)
    What would happen if the UKIP got into Brussels?
    I mean, they want UK to pull out of the EU don't they...
    They get paid 70 grand a year for stopping progress and not attending meetings etc.
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    (Original post by Baron Huntroyde)
    Respect = SWP with cardigans and woolly hats.
    And SWP is?
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    if i could vote probably Conservative for Europe..however my vote may have been swayed by the fact that it was the Lib Dems who invited me to go along to the counting...where i found the Conservatives i met delightful, however i found the labour party very rude and abrupt towards a local politics student-so i doubt they will ever get my vote. And i wouldnt really vote for any of the partys like RESPECT as again when attending an event of thiers i found them to be far too outragous and radical

    Respect = SWP with cardigans and woolly hats.
    hehe..

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    (Original post by samdavyson)
    And SWP is?
    Socialist Workers Party my dear. They're the biggest left-wing party in the UK (Labour is not left-wing).
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    well i'm in Brussels, and under age, so i can't vote
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    (Original post by kingslaw)
    Socialist Workers Party my dear. They're the biggest left-wing party in the UK (Labour is not left-wing).
    Don't take the piss...the Greens are much bigger, at least when the SWP aren't making up ludicrous lies concerning their numbers.
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    (Original post by samdavyson)
    They get paid 70 grand a year for stopping progress and not attending meetings etc.
    no, thats just the European Parliament period.
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    (Original post by kingslaw)
    I've voted Respect.

    [Que the tediously predictable comment from Vienna]
    at least theres one other person. although wouldnt call myself a supporter, just felt the need to vote for the first time & couldnt bring myself to vote for most of the other parties - labour crap, libdems too pro europe, conservatives just being conservative (into big business etc)... im not gonna vote ukip, pulling out of eu is a ridiculous idea playing on peoples grievances about red tape. realistically, it was either respect, greens or an independent for me! respect at least think that eu membership is good, but disagree with the constitution and the extent of cap.
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    (Original post by llama boy)
    Don't take the piss...the Greens are much bigger, at least when the SWP aren't making up ludicrous lies concerning their numbers.
    And the greens are left-wing?

    I think you'll be very hard-pushed to find a party that doesnt lie about its membership - no matter how much rose tinting there is in your glasses.
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    (Original post by kingslaw)
    And the greens are left-wing?
    They are, but in a very different way to the Socialists, who see themselves as a workers' party, whereas the Greens are an environmental party with generally left wing views but who do not represent the working class as much.
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    (Original post by smaug)
    Hmmm plenty of scope for discord there! I take it your views are conservative (lets keep everything pretty much the way its always been) rather than Conservative ( lets support rampant free marketism) in that case?

    yup. i like the way britain used to be run.maybe it was just that i was a kid and missed all the bad stuff...

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    (Original post by kingslaw)
    And the greens are left-wing?

    I think you'll be very hard-pushed to find a party that doesn't lie about its membership - no matter how much rose tinting there is in your glasses.
    The Greens are left wing. I agree that they do not have an overt class analysis of society, but in practice I feel they definitely count as leftie.

    Many parties will spin their membership figures; the SWP are famous for plucking their figures out of thin air.
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    what exactly is the european election? can anyone quickly explain?

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