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I think Hoover was a very good president he did more than any other Republican also the congress was dominated by Republicans which meant many ideas such as giving donations would have been vetoed he was a president at a very tough time. I don't like Roosevelt I think he is over glorified and it was WW2 that helped not his ridiculous new deal I think it is unfair how people trash Hoover so much he was a very good president in my opinion.

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In light of his reluctance to admit the Depression I'm going to go with no.. Also, response to the Bonus Army was diabolical (as opposed to Eleanor Roosevelt's tea party).
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I think Hoover was a very good president he did more than any other Republican also the congress was dominated by Republicans which meant many ideas such as giving donations would have been vetoed he was a president at a very tough time. I don't like Roosevelt I think he is over glorified and it was WW2 that helped not his ridiculous new deal I think it is unfair how people trash Hoover so much he was a very good president in my opinion.

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Hmm. Is this the guy who came up with 'a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage?' If so, I'm gonna go with no. Unless it was Coolidge. :lol:

What do you have against Roosevelt? :mad: What was 'ridiculous' about the New Deal, in your view? He deserves all the glory he gets.

P.S. I think you need to learn where to put fullstops.

Edit: Just looked it up. It was definitely Hoover who used that slogan, not Coolidge. So no, he wasn't a good President, for that and reasons listed by other people on the thread. :3
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did this for GCSE and was a question on the exam:

Hoover's sucesses:
-1930, cut income tax so people had more money to spend
-1931, offered $4billion to fund major building projects such as the Hoover Dam
-1931, Davis-Bacon Act encouraged firms to keep high wages
-1932, Emergency Relief Act ($300 million for unemployment pay)
-1932, Reconstruction Act set up the Reconstruction Finance Corporation to provide $1.5 billion of loans to businesses-1932, Glass-Steagall Act helped banks borrow from the Federal Reserve.

Hoover's failings:
-Hoover was becoming increasingly unpopular and was being blamed for the Government's failure to help people during the Great Depression. Use of Hooverisms etc
-The Bonus Army:WWI veterans were promised a 'Bonus pension' which was to be paid in 1945. However by 1932 many were demanding to be paid immediately (to help during the Depression). 20,000 veterans set up a Hooverville outside of the Whitehouse. Congress voted against the bonus , but the protesters stayed in Washington DC.Hoover first used the police to contain the veterans , he then called in the army to clear out the camp. Tanks and tear gas were used and tents and shelters were set on fire.Two veterans were killed and 1000 were injured. The Bonus Army was defeated but severely damaged Hoover's reputation, becoming even more unpopular.
-Hoover campaigned around the country accusing FDR of being unable to deliver his promises. During his campaign he often had objects thrown at him.

election outcome:
Hoover: Fewer than 16 million votes11% of the votesOnly won 6 states
Roosevelt: Nearly 23 million votes (record number)87% of the vote (record number for democrats)Won 42 states

you make good points about wwII as really this was the catalyst for the economy however Roosevelt's new dealarguably achieved more than Hoover's policies
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did this for GCSE and was a question on the exam:

his sucesses:
-1930, cut income tax so people had more money to spend
-1931, offered $4billion to fund major building projects such as the Hoover Dam
-1931, Davis-Bacon Act encouraged firms to keep high wages
-1932, Emergency Relief Act ($300 million for unemployment pay)
-1932, Reconstruction Act set up the Reconstruction Finance Corporation to provide $1.5 billion of loans to businesses-1932, Glass-Steagall Act helped banks borrow from the Federal Reserve.

failings:
-Hoover was becoming increasingly unpopular and was being blamed for the Government's failure to help people during the Great Depression. Use of Hooverisms etc
-The Bonus Army:WWI veterans were promised a 'Bonus pension' which was to be paid in 1945. However by 1932 many were demanding to be paid immediately (to help during the Depression). 20,000 veterans set up a Hooverville outside of the Whitehouse. Congress voted against the bonus , but the protesters stayed in Washington DC.Hoover first used the police to contain the veterans , he then called in the army to clear out the camp. Tanks and tear gas were used and tents and shelters were set on fire.Two veterans were killed and 1000 were injured. The Bonus Army was defeated but severely damaged Hoover's reputation, becoming even more unpopular.
-Hoover campaigned around the country accusing FDR of being unable to deliver his promises. During his campaign he often had objects thrown at him.

election outcome:
Hoover: Fewer than 16 million votes11% of the votesOnly won 6 states
Roosevelt: Nearly 23 million votes (record number)87% of the vote (record number for democrats)Won 42 states
Even then, the ERA was grossly inadequate and unable to deal with the extent of the problem.
RFC still preferred 'big business' and a ridiculous percentage of loans were given to the largest banks/railways/construction companies etc.
Glass-Steagall was Roosevelt?
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Even then, the ERA was grossly inadequate and unable to deal with the extent of the problem.
RFC still preferred 'big business' and a ridiculous percentage of loans were given to the largest banks/railways/construction companies etc.
Glass-Steagall was Roosevelt?
oh sorry i didn't make it clear, i should have said Hoover's failings and successes (editing now)
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oh sorry i didn't make it clear, i should have said Hoover's failings and successes (editing now)
No, I meant you said Hoover implemented G-S, but I'm pretty sure it was Roosevelt?
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No, I meant you said Hoover implemented G-S, but I'm pretty sure it was Roosevelt?
hmm.. i don't think it was Roosevelt, at least not accordin to my old GCSE notes but i could be wrong
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hmm.. i don't think it was Roosevelt, at least not accordin to my old GCSE notes but i could be wrong
Just Googled it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass%...ll_Legislation

On June 16, 1933, President Roosevelt signed the bill into law.
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ah ok then
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Laisezz faire approach was part of the problem leading to the G-D, so gonna go with no. FDR effectively cleaned up Hoover's mess. Not to mention being successful in a war too.
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did this for GCSE and was a question on the exam:

Hoover's sucesses:
-1930, cut income tax so people had more money to spend
-1931, offered $4billion to fund major building projects such as the Hoover Dam
-1931, Davis-Bacon Act encouraged firms to keep high wages
-1932, Emergency Relief Act ($300 million for unemployment pay)
-1932, Reconstruction Act set up the Reconstruction Finance Corporation to provide $1.5 billion of loans to businesses-1932, Glass-Steagall Act helped banks borrow from the Federal Reserve.

Hoover's failings:
-Hoover was becoming increasingly unpopular and was being blamed for the Government's failure to help people during the Great Depression. Use of Hooverisms etc
-The Bonus Army:WWI veterans were promised a 'Bonus pension' which was to be paid in 1945. However by 1932 many were demanding to be paid immediately (to help during the Depression). 20,000 veterans set up a Hooverville outside of the Whitehouse. Congress voted against the bonus , but the protesters stayed in Washington DC.Hoover first used the police to contain the veterans , he then called in the army to clear out the camp. Tanks and tear gas were used and tents and shelters were set on fire.Two veterans were killed and 1000 were injured. The Bonus Army was defeated but severely damaged Hoover's reputation, becoming even more unpopular.
-Hoover campaigned around the country accusing FDR of being unable to deliver his promises. During his campaign he often had objects thrown at him.

election outcome:
Hoover: Fewer than 16 million votes11% of the votesOnly won 6 states
Roosevelt: Nearly 23 million votes (record number)87% of the vote (record number for democrats)Won 42 states

you make good points about wwII as really this was the catalyst for the economy however Roosevelt's new dealarguably achieved more than Hoover's policies

People remember FDR was a Democrat. Hoover was a Republican I think you are not judging him fairly because as a Republican he was very flexible with his laissez-faire policies as he had an emergency relief act.
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Hmm. Is this the guy who came up with 'a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage?' If so, I'm gonna go with no. Unless it was Coolidge. :lol:

What do you have against Roosevelt? :mad: What was 'ridiculous' about the New Deal, in your view? He deserves all the glory he gets.

P.S. I think you need to learn where to put fullstops.

Edit: Just looked it up. It was definitely Hoover who used that slogan, not Coolidge. So no, he wasn't a good President, for that and reasons listed by other people on the thread. :3
The New Deal cost too much and was not so effective because when they had cut backs unemployment went up again it was ww2 that helpt however it was a short term solution as after ww2 so many soldiers were not needed anymore.
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People remember FDR was a Democrat. Hoover was a Republican I think you are not judging him fairly because as a Republican he was very flexible with his laissez-faire policies as he had an emergency relief act.
Which completely failed to address the extent of the problem.
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People remember FDR was a Democrat. Hoover was a Republican I think you are not judging him fairly because as a Republican he was very flexible with his laissez-faire policies as he had an emergency relief act.
How is it unfair? She listed both his successes and his failures. Just because he deviated a little more from the party line than you think is acceptable doesn't make him exceptional.
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People remember FDR was a Democrat. Hoover was a Republican I think you are not judging him fairly because as a Republican he was very flexible with his laissez-faire policies as he had an emergency relief act.
laizze faire = leave alone so arguably this i a damaging policy.
i am just writting what i wrote for my GCSE and as i got an A* clearly the examiners think i argued it fairly. personally i think neither was perfect, hoover or FDR.
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PRSOM. Nice to see a balanced view to counter the childish assertions of the OP. You can always tell when it's a historian talking. :lol:
I found this article online i think it has very good reasons

http://www.libertyviral.com/the-top-...as-president/#
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The New Deal cost too much and was not so effective because when they had cut backs unemployment went up again it was ww2 that helpt however it was a short term solution as after ww2 so many soldiers were not needed anymore.
What is 'too much?' When you have a something as economically crippling as the Great Depression, it doesn't really stand up to say that it cost too much -- if anything, the damage would have been even worse if the New Deal hadn't been implemented. The New Deal was absolutely essential as a short-term measure.

As for soldiers not being needed anymore: that's not Roosevelt's fault. That's the consequence of any world war. World War II wasn't a 'solution' to anything. Roosevelt didn't start it to solve the unemployment woes of America.
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How is it unfair? She listed both his successes and his failures. Just because he deviated a little more from the party line than you think is acceptable doesn't make him exceptional.
thanks hydeman tbh i don't see how i was unfair either i gave points for and against him which is what you need to do to get the full 12 marks on the question as you never write that you completely agree or disagree
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laizze faire = leave alone so arguably this i a damaging policy.
i am just writting what i wrote for my GCSE and as i got an A* clearly the examiners think i argued it fairly. personally i think neither was perfect, hoover or FDR.
Here is some more arguements which I found on the internet:

1. FDR Promoted Socialist Ideology (Everybody earns the same no matter how hard they work, etc.)

2. He started Social Security in it's current form that is proving a horrible and steadily increasing drain on our economy.

3. FDR Put Japanese-Americans in camps because of their heritage. (Similiar to Anti-Semitist camps)4. Introduced the idea of deficit spending, which is spending money the Government does NOT have. This set a bad precedent for presidents after him, and is one of the reason why the economy is a mess.

4. Introduced the idea of deficit spending, which is spending money the Government does NOT have. This set a bad precedent for presidents after him, and is one of the reason why the economy is a mess.

5. F.D.Roosevelt's "solution" was to implement the socialist-fascist economic system under which Americans now suffer.

6. His National Recovery Act gave him virtually unlimited dictatorial powers over American business and industry.

7. He persuaded Congress to provide him a power which Stalin and Mussolini proudly possessed: The power to nationalize people's gold.

8. FDR admired the ideology of Karl Marx (Marxism), Joseph Stalin(He referred to him as "Uncle Joe"), And Benito Mussolini's fascist system in Italy.

9. For several years, the U.S. Supreme Court, led by four justices  Sutherland, Butter, Van Devanter, and McReynolds Declared FDR's socialist and fascist New Deal policies in violation of the United States Constitution -In violation of every principle of individual liberty and limited government on which this nation was founded.

10. FDR didn't actually end the Great Depression, World War II did.
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