Depression - educate me.

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Couple of points before I start

i) Sorry if this is the wrong forum. I was going to put it in the mental health forum but thought that was more for people looking for advice

ii) This is no way meant to be an attack on people with depression, i believe it is a very serious condition.


I've always understood depression to be a crippling mental illness and i genuinely feel sorry for people who genuinely suffer from it. However 1 in 4 people allegedly have this illness and as it was world mental health day yesterday it appears that a lot of my facebook friends have it.

Now I've always been told that depression isn't just feeling a bit down and it's not something you can just snap out of. A lot of people I know of who have had depression have been through a rough patch where things might have not gone their way for a month or two and this made them a bit downbeat for a bit. They then come out and state that they've been battling with depression for the last couple of months. I've seen first hand in a friends mum how bad depression can be she didn't leave the house for months and months and isolated herself from pretty much everyone, didn't turn in for work etc etc.


My view is that actual depression and what people claim is depression are two very different things. The reason there is still a stigma attached to it is because every man and his dog claims to have it and then exaggerates their symptoms. A couple of friends yesterday (world mental health day) claimed that during their periods of depression they barely left the house but I remember very clearly them barely ever being at home and being out and about constantly.

One final thing I read somewhere. If a family member dies and you're still upset about it 2 weeks later you can be diagnosed with depression. That in my eyes is not depression, that is natural grief.


In conclusion, my view is that too man people claim to have depression when they might just be a little bit down. This in turn leads people to dismiss those who genuinely suffer with this illness and finally 1 in 4 people having depression seems ludicrously high.


As I said at the start i'm not trying to attack people with depression and I am more than willing to have my views changed.
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Now I've always been told that depression isn't just feeling a bit down and it's not something you can just snap out of. A lot of people I know of who have had depression have been through a rough patch where things might have not gone their way for a month or two and this made them a bit downbeat for a bit. They then come out and state that they've been battling with depression for the last couple of months. I've seen first hand in a friends mum how bad depression can be she didn't leave the house for months and months and isolated herself from pretty much everyone, didn't turn in for work etc etc.
Know this feeling all too well. I'm lonely and depressed without Marian. Life seems worthless not being beside her.
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1 in 4 sounds wrong. Recognised figures suggest that 1 in 6 suffer mental illness (in their lifetime), and that includes all mental illness, not just depression.
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59880397[/url]]Couple of points before I start

I've always understood depression to be a crippling mental illness and i genuinely feel sorry for people who genuinely suffer from it. However 1 in 4 people allegedly have this illness and as it was world mental health day yesterday it appears that a lot of my facebook friends have it.

Now I've always been told that depression isn't just feeling a bit down and it's not something you can just snap out of. A lot of people I know of who have had depression have been through a rough patch where things might have not gone their way for a month or two and this made them a bit downbeat for a bit. They then come out and state that they've been battling with depression for the last couple of months. I've seen first hand in a friends mum how bad depression can be she didn't leave the house for months and months and isolated herself from pretty much everyone, didn't turn in for work etc etc.


My view is that actual depression and what people claim is depression are two very different things. The reason there is still a stigma attached to it is because every man and his dog claims to have it and then exaggerates their symptoms. A couple of friends yesterday (world mental health day) claimed that during their periods of depression they barely left the house but I remember very clearly them barely ever being at home and being out and about constantly.

One final thing I read somewhere. If a family member dies and you're still upset about it 2 weeks later you can be diagnosed with depression. That in my eyes is not depression, that is natural grief.


In conclusion, my view is that too man people claim to have depression when they might just be a little bit down. This in turn leads people to dismiss those who genuinely suffer with this illness and finally 1 in 4 people having depression seems ludicrously high.

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I once had depression; I've never been the same.

What I can tell you is that a lot of people say they have it because they want sympathy and attention. People that make false claims really annoy me; it's insulting to those who are actually having trouble.

If you're in a dark place, you tend to keep it to yourself. You don't want to cause a fuss so you bottle it up.

You never broadcast it.

Edit: I'm saying when we're depressed, we tend to keep it to ourselves; I'm not saying we should. I've known many people who have suffered in this department; none of them "bragged" about it to get the wrong type of attention and for me, this shows sincerity in their feelings.

I wholeheartedly encourage the pursuit of help and the visiting of therapists etc. but for the right reasons.

I just don't like it when people say they're depressed purely to garner sympathy, or when they post on social networking sites just to get "likes" and such.
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Never suffered from depression ever so i have 0 clue about it so its not my place to comment.
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Couple of points before I start

i) Sorry if this is the wrong forum. I was going to put it in the mental health forum but thought that was more for people looking for advice

ii) This is no way meant to be an attack on people with depression, i believe it is a very serious condition.


I've always understood depression to be a crippling mental illness and i genuinely feel sorry for people who genuinely suffer from it. However 1 in 4 people allegedly have this illness and as it was world mental health day yesterday it appears that a lot of my facebook friends have it.

Now I've always been told that depression isn't just feeling a bit down and it's not something you can just snap out of. A lot of people I know of who have had depression have been through a rough patch where things might have not gone their way for a month or two and this made them a bit downbeat for a bit. They then come out and state that they've been battling with depression for the last couple of months. I've seen first hand in a friends mum how bad depression can be she didn't leave the house for months and months and isolated herself from pretty much everyone, didn't turn in for work etc etc.


My view is that actual depression and what people claim is depression are two very different things. The reason there is still a stigma attached to it is because every man and his dog claims to have it and then exaggerates their symptoms. A couple of friends yesterday (world mental health day) claimed that during their periods of depression they barely left the house but I remember very clearly them barely ever being at home and being out and about constantly.

One final thing I read somewhere. If a family member dies and you're still upset about it 2 weeks later you can be diagnosed with depression. That in my eyes is not depression, that is natural grief.


In conclusion, my view is that too man people claim to have depression when they might just be a little bit down. This in turn leads people to dismiss those who genuinely suffer with this illness and finally 1 in 4 people having depression seems ludicrously high.


As I said at the start i'm not trying to attack people with depression and I am more than willing to have my views changed.
I thought depression was just a load of nonsense until….

my marriage ended after xxx number of years. It hit me like a train because I wasn't expecting it. I have felt down before but this was terrible. You have no reason to get up in the morning. I stopped eating. I went to work every day but made mistakes and I would just cry uncontrollably at random moments. It was truly awful.

I spoke to the GP who was kind and gave me advice and antidepressants . They kicked in after 2 weeks and made a huge difference. I had friends who told me that things would get better. I was told to do exercise and learn to love myself - I was more than a marriage.

Slowly after about two months I was able to come off the tablets - I realised that life could go on ( I had been suicidal at the time) I got really bad withdrawal symptoms but to be honest it was nice to be feeling human again.

So now one year on, I have a new partner, I am nearly divorced and I have a new life. Depression takes many forms - sometimes you are right and it is just feeling down but sometimes it is such a dark place
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It's a label. Like all labels, it usually ends up defining you, rather than the other way around. As soon as someone tells you 'you are depressed' you suddenly have a label under which to categorise all of your behaviours, all of your misgivings and all of your failures.

It's a label given to you by another; depression, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. You aren't depressed until someone tells you you're depressed. What do they know? They don't. They never will. Depression, like every other label in existence, is just yet another label people like to foist onto other people to try and make sense of the world around them; the world doesn't make sense and it never will.

Don't want to go for that job? It's OK, you're depressed. Don't want to go to work? It's OK, you're depressed. Don't want to go outside? It's OK, you're depressed. Want to talk to your partner like they're a piece of ****? It's OK, you're depressed.
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It's a label. Like all labels, it usually ends up defining you, rather than the other way around. As soon as someone tells you 'you are depressed' you suddenly have a label under which to categorise all of your behaviours, all of your misgivings and all of your failures.

It's a label given to you by another; depression, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. You aren't depressed until someone tells you you're depressed. What do they know? They don't. They never will. Depression, like every other label in existence, is just yet another label people like to foist onto other people to try and make sense of the world around them; the world doesn't make sense and it never will.

Don't want to go for that job? It's OK, you're depressed. Don't want to go to work? It's OK, you're depressed. Don't want to go outside? It's OK, you're depressed. Want to talk to your partner like they're a piece of ****? It's OK, you're depressed.
You haven't got a clue, do you?
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You haven't got a clue, do you?
You haven't got an argument, do you?
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Never suffered from depression ever so i have 0 clue about it so its not my place to comment.
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It's a label. Like all labels, it usually ends up defining you, rather than the other way around. As soon as someone tells you 'you are depressed' you suddenly have a label under which to categorise all of your behaviours, all of your misgivings and all of your failures.

It's a label given to you by another; depression, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. You aren't depressed until someone tells you you're depressed. What do they know? They don't. They never will. Depression, like every other label in existence, is just yet another label people like to foist onto other people to try and make sense of the world around them; the world doesn't make sense and it never will.

Don't want to go for that job? It's OK, you're depressed. Don't want to go to work? It's OK, you're depressed. Don't want to go outside? It's OK, you're depressed. Want to talk to your partner like they're a piece of ****? It's OK, you're depressed.
Thats complete rubbish, my boyfriend has depression and he will not tell anyone. He doesn't understand that its his depression that makes him not want to go out, not eat and not want to live anymore. He doesn't use his depression as an excuse for being down and keeps everything to himself.
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Yeah, God exists because you can't prove otherwise.

You can never learn to be a jockey until you've been a horse.

You can't talk about pregnancy until you've grown a uterus.
What?
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The ones that don't accept the idea of depression are the "survival of the fittest" lot. The "evil" people. Your next Putins, Obamas, Camerons and Merkels.
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Your exactly right in terms of people are over diagnosed and everything thinks they have it. Abnormality my ass if 1/4 of the population have it 😂

Not surprising though, the amount of people that have 'anxiety' around too many people/certain social situations, can't make it into school but can go to concerts and throw parties. < that's not an exaggeration that's based on two people with diagnosed 'anxiety' I know that couldn't even come to school. And yet the people with actual anxiety take their God damn meds, pluck the courage to do their best and don't beg attention of everyone.


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Your exactly right in terms of people are over diagnosed and everything thinks they have it.


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Some people need to learn the difference between sadness / feeling down and depression imo. I've had depression and I've had sadness. Both are completely different feelings.
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Thats complete rubbish, my boyfriend has depression and he will not tell anyone. He doesn't understand that its his depression that makes him not want to go out, not eat and not want to live anymore. He doesn't use his depression as an excuse for being down and keeps everything to himself.
Why is living a rational objective? Why is it any more or less rational than choosing to die? Perhaps death is a preferable option for him? Who are you to label him for making his own decisions? Since when did choosing to live become the only acceptable social standard? Life is ****, death is nothing.

Why is going out the only acceptable social standard? Why, because he doesn't want to go out, is this an indication of depression? I can't be bothered going out either...now you can categorise me, label me and make sense out of me. Who benefits?

He clearly is eating, otherwise he'd be dead.
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What?
Aye, exactly.
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My ex was manic depressive and I understand the basic concepts of depression. But I remember once going to see him and he hadn't showered for 5 days because he said it wasn't possible because he was depressed - yet he'd gone to the pub and played backgammon with people all day. Is this a real thing? I always felt like it sounded pretty insincere given the backgammon/socialising, but you don't want to be the ignorant and uncaring girlfriend. I tried asking and it didn't go down well so I left it ...
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Why is living a rational objective? Why is it any more or less rational than choosing to die? Perhaps death is a preferable option for him? Who are you to label him for making his own decisions? Since when did choosing to live become the only acceptable social standard? Life is ****, death is nothing.

Why is going out the only acceptable social standard? Why, because he doesn't want to go out, is this an indication of depression? I can't be bothered going out either...now you can categorise me, label me and make sense out of me. Who benefits?

He clearly is eating, otherwise he'd be dead.
By not eating she obviously meant only eating when people are sort of forcing it/he hardly eats. You don't have to eat much to survive, to live on the other hand you sorta do.


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Why is living a rational objective? Why is it any more or less rational than choosing to die? Perhaps death is a preferable option for him? Who are you to label him for making his own decisions? Since when did choosing to live become the only acceptable social standard? Life is ****, death is nothing.

Why is going out the only acceptable social standard? Why, because he doesn't want to go out, is this an indication of depression? I can't be bothered going out either...now you can categorise me, label me and make sense out of me. Who benefits?

He clearly is eating, otherwise he'd be dead.
**** off, you have no ****ing idea what you are talking about. He thinks that nothing will get better for him and therefore reckoned he'd be better off dead. You have no ****ing right to tell me I'm wrong for not wanting him to ****ing kill himself because he sees it as the only way to stop hurting.
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