Got Bad grade in Further Maths - Do I need to declare?

I got a bad grade in cash in Further Maths I accidentaly picked the wrong module to study which I shouldnt have done :frown:

. So I didnt revise for the module and therefore got a U in that module and E for overall AS Further Maths.

I already have 4 AS + AS Further maths so Do I need to declare the further maths grade on my UCAS.

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Reply 1

TajwarC

Yes. Anything you pass (i.e. anything that's not a U) you need to declare to my knowledge

Reply 2

hanley9

Original post by Pinker1

I got a bad grade in cash in Further Maths I accidentaly picked the wrong module to study which I shouldnt have done :frown:

yes you do.

Reply 3

Carnationlilyrose

Original post by Pinker1

I got a bad grade in cash in Further Maths I accidentaly picked the wrong module to study which I shouldnt have done :frown:

You need to declare everything. Not to do so is fraudulent and Ucas is very clear about the matter:

http://help.ucas.com/contract12/index.html

Reply 4

Carnationlilyrose

Original post by TajwarC

Yes. Anything you pass (i.e. anything that's not a U) you need to declare to my knowledge

You also need to declare Us now.

Reply 5

TajwarC

Original post by Carnationlilyrose

You also need to declare Us now.

Oh wow. Thanks for letting me know

Reply 6

Pinker1

Original post by hanley9

yes you do.

Original post by Carnationlilyrose

You need to declare everything. Not to do so is fraudulent and Ucas is very clear about the matter:

http://help.ucas.com/contract12/index.html

WIll have have a chance to explain to them why I got bad grade or will they just reject me looking at it (and my other grades ofc)

Reply 7

Kvothe the Arcane

Original post by Pinker1

WIll have have a chance to explain to them why I got bad grade or will they just reject me looking at it (and my other grades ofc)

The decision to reject or accept you will depend on your application and how they interpret the data. I suppose you could email them but you've not mentioned anything that would warrant this.

Reply 8

Carnationlilyrose

Original post by Pinker1

WIll have have a chance to explain to them why I got bad grade or will they just reject me looking at it (and my other grades ofc)

Don't explain anything. Your ps should be a positive statement about the future, not an apology about the past. If there is any explaining to do which will carry weight, it should go in your reference.

Reply 9

Pinker1

Original post by keromedic

The decision to reject or accept you will depend on your application and how they interpret the data. I suppose you could email them but you've not mentioned anything that would warrant this.

Original post by Carnationlilyrose

What should I do then??
I cant get a reference from my teacher since I self taught it and did cash in. If I want to email them, who should I email

Reply 10

Carnationlilyrose

Original post by Pinker1

What should I do then??
I cant get a reference from my teacher since I self taught it and did cash in. If I want to email them, who should I email

Email who? Just put it in the qualifications and forget about it.

Reply 11

Pinker1

Original post by Carnationlilyrose

Email who? Just put it in the qualifications and forget about it.

Well the other guy said ' I suppose you could email them but you've not mentioned anything that would warrant this.'

I dont fully understand what it means but is it worth emailing them

Reply 12

Kvothe the Arcane

Original post by Pinker1

Well the other guy said ' I suppose you could email them but you've not mentioned anything that would warrant this.'

I dont fully understand what it means but is it worth emailing them

Rose is an ex teacher so her advice trumps mine.

I was saying that the decision to email them lies with you. There are certain situations where it might make sense. For example, a 2nd personal statement to accompany a contrasting subject in a Medicine application. But in your case, I don't see a need to email. If you remain unconvinced, you can always ring admission to speak to someone who can alleviate your fears.

Reply 13

Carnationlilyrose

Original post by Pinker1

Well the other guy said ' I suppose you could email them but you've not mentioned anything that would warrant this.'

I dont fully understand what it means but is it worth emailing them

What he meant was that contacting them directly would be the only way of explaining how you got the U, but that there didn't seem any justification for doing this, and I agree with him. If you can't get your referee to put in the reference that you were self teaching, there isn't another forum for you to get that information across, so leave it and don't, whatever you do, go in for any kind of pity party in your ps. Just leave it there. I don't see why your referee wouldn't mention it for you, though.

Reply 14

Pinker1

Original post by Carnationlilyrose

Well my teacher doesnt know im doing FM and its too late to explain this to her now because shes already done references I think. Ill try but im pretty sure it wont work.

But is it even worth for me applying to unis like Warwick and Durham for Maths now? I got AABCE , with A in Maths but E in Further Maths. My personal statement is really good but E in FM will just drag me down :frown:

Please also tell me what to do if its not worth it and what to do if I should take a gap year next year.

Reply 15

Carnationlilyrose

Original post by Pinker1

Please also tell me what to do if its not worth it and what to do if I should take a gap year next year.

I don't make any claim to being an expert in maths applications, I'm afraid, beyond knowing that Warwick makes offers to anyone who comes near enough, but that the offers are extremely hard to meet. Also, maths is a subject that frowns on gap years. I suggest posting in the maths forum for more specialist advice.

Reply 16

swanseajack1

Original post by Pinker1

Please also tell me what to do if its not worth it and what to do if I should take a gap year next year.

I have been through the Maths application with my son a few years ago so I will give you an honest detailed answer.
Durham you have no chance. They insist on A*AA as an absolute MINIMUM and insist on Maths AND Further Maths at grade A or A*. The only time they do not insist on Further Maths is if the school do not provide and then they expect you have taken AS level Further Maths yourself and been successful. 3 comments came out on the open day
"people we make offers don't miss their offers"
"if your school have offered fm and you have not taken it apply elsewhere because you will not get in here"
" we have 3 groups of applicants. one we make offers to. another we reject and the third we keep on hold to see if better applicants apply before the deadline"
They call for UMS marks and make their decision on that. My son applied there got A*A*A including A*s in Maths and Further Maths and had still not received a reply either way withdrew the application and went elsewhere. This is what you are faced with. You will not get an offer so don't waste your time. Warwick is probably even more difficult to get into and usually requires STEP as well as Further Maths.
You would be best off looking at a university that does not involve Further Maths.
I am sorry this is so long and blunt but is far better to apply to university you have a chance than being rejected by these 2

Reply 17

Kvothe the Arcane

Original post by Pinker1

Please also tell me what to do if its not worth it and what to do if I should take a gap year next year.

Warwick and Durham are incredibly competitive for mathematics. It is actually quite common for pupils to self study further mathematics. While I don't claim to be an expert, I would recommend applying to Universities where FM is not a prerequisite. Gap years are frowned upon in Mathematics as Rose has mentioned but I have known people to get into top tier Universities for maths post-year 13 with the intention of taking a gap year. But they usually would be preparing for STEP, AEA or (re)taking (A)FM modules.

Reply 18

swanseajack1

Universities it might be worth looking into include Aston Cardiff East Anglia Kent Leicester Liverpool Queen Mary Royal Holloway Sheffield and Swansea. It might also be worth looking into Exeter if you are likely to get their contextual offer. You will need to chec k but I don't think any of these require Further Maths

Reply 19

Pinker1

Original post by keromedic

Original post by swanseajack1

Well I'd rather take a gap year than study at an average uni. Do you know if gap years for Economics is frowned upon as well?
Also, if I applied for Economics at uni, will I have a better chance? Ive emailed durham and warwick and a few other unis but no one has replied yet and I really need to make a decision soon!